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Post by BK15AZR on Nov 22, 2021 22:49:44 GMT
What are the changes regarding the 168/271 getting axed? On the consultation thread. But in short the 1 extends over the 168 and the 21 diverts to Holloway, Nags Head. I can't see the extended 1 to work...it isn't reliable in its current form and I imagine it will fail completely. Same goes for the extended 21 - traffic at that section up to Holloway is bad at times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 23:00:11 GMT
All these mergers (most of them anyway) show that Tfl preserve the lower numbers. I wonder why?
Withdrawing route 1 as opposed to 168 sounds wrong, like you've got to have a number 1 bus route, but other high numbers like 391 have gone and the 271 is likely to go
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 22, 2021 23:44:44 GMT
I cannot see that working, there is still a lot of people from Loughton going all the way to Walthamstow There has been a lot of complaints at the Loughton end about the 20's reliability but like you, I fail to see how removing it in favour of a 56 that has it's own issues to deal with and the W13 helps anyone. A block of complaints was to do with their being no other bus into the residential area north of Loughton when the 20 plays up (bar the school only 804) as the 167 was removed Plus the 56 has to encounter all the crap on most of Lea Bridge Rd down to LBWF. Made even worse since they removed the bus lanes and any bus lane that is left is a hinderance and often makes the bus get behind the car it left to go in into it. Woodford New Rd is terrible for traffic in the morning and evening peak, made even worse by LBWF with cycle warfare. W13 would just mirror the Central line even further, not much scope
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Post by lundnah on Nov 22, 2021 23:47:45 GMT
All these mergers (most of them anyway) show that Tfl preserve the lower numbers. I wonder why? Withdrawing route 1 as opposed to 168 sounds wrong, like you've got to have a number 1 bus route, but other high numbers like 391 have gone and the 271 is likely to go They're obviously going to withdraw number 168, not 1.
Cutting "bus number 1" would propel this consultation into newspaper headlines, as if somehow symbolic of cutting the entire system.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 22, 2021 23:51:14 GMT
Never really seen a busy W13 so wonder could anything be done with a rerouted version to Walthamstow instead of Leytonstone? And extended to Debden. This would allow the 20 to be withdrawn and no need to extend the 56. But then this would make Woodford New Rd without a service or Hermon Hill. W13 used to get busy, but like the W14 has lost a lot of custom. W12 went even worst when they chopped it to 30 mins from 20 mins.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 22, 2021 23:51:43 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. Bring back the 38A, I say! Or maybe route 10 as well
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Post by BK15AZR on Nov 23, 2021 11:26:30 GMT
All these mergers (most of them anyway) show that Tfl preserve the lower numbers. I wonder why? Withdrawing route 1 as opposed to 168 sounds wrong, like you've got to have a number 1 bus route, but other high numbers like 391 have gone and the 271 is likely to go They're obviously going to withdraw number 168, not 1.
Cutting "bus number 1" would propel this consultation into newspaper headlines, as if somehow symbolic of cutting the entire system.
Just another replica of the route 13/82 drama few years back.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 23, 2021 12:21:52 GMT
Same way if the 11 is ever revisited I'd keep the 11 at Fulham and use a new number for the other sections. 10 maybe now?
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 26, 2021 9:12:37 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Nov 26, 2021 10:36:07 GMT
Not a bus cut but "Entire Tube line could be closed" alledgedly clickbaity silly headlines or do they mean like the Bakerloo could become part of the Jubilee etc ? Those two lines wouldn't be able to merge operations with their existing stocks. For starters the Bakerloo's 72 stock can't work under the Jubilee's ATO plus their shorter length carriages means their doors will not align with the platform doors along the JLE. The Jubilee Line's 96 stock is the opposite problem in terms of length, their carriages being too long for the twisty section of the Bakerloo Line tunnels, the Waterloo Station area coming to mind on that as the station itself is on the bend. I believe taking out a tube line is the absolute worst case senario which may likely not even happen. However if it were to be then the Circle Line would be the ideal one for implementation as no stations would need to close as they're all served by other S stock lines.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 26, 2021 12:33:43 GMT
Worst case scenario at best would probably be closing the Waterloo&City line and some of those stations like during the lockdown to save money.
The press are overly doing this.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 26, 2021 12:41:29 GMT
Not a bus cut but "Entire Tube line could be closed" alledgedly clickbaity silly headlines or do they mean like the Bakerloo could become part of the Jubilee etc ? Those two lines wouldn't be able to merge operations with their existing stocks. For starters the Bakerloo's 72 stock can't work under the Jubilee's ATO plus their shorter length carriages means their doors will not align with the platform doors along the JLE. The Jubilee Line's 96 stock is the opposite problem in terms of length, their carriages being too long for the twisty section of the Bakerloo Line tunnels, the Waterloo Station area coming to mind on that as the station itself is on the bend. I believe taking out a tube line is the absolute worst case senario which may likely not even happen. However if it were to be then the Circle Line would be the ideal one for implementation as no stations would need to close as they're all served by other S stock lines. I don't know if I've missed something but was it seriously suggested that these lines could be merged? My understanding is that the Bakerloo and/or Jubilee lines are thought the most likely to close in a worst case scenario but there may be a service on part of the line, Stanmore to Wembley Park or Stratford to North Greenwich for example.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 26, 2021 13:11:10 GMT
Worst case scenario at best would probably be closing the Waterloo&City line and some of those stations like during the lockdown to save money. The press are overly doing this. I suspect it probably will be just the W&C although the media won't be wrong, it will be an entire line. They just won't mention that it only has two stations that are served by other lines.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 26, 2021 13:11:52 GMT
Those two lines wouldn't be able to merge operations with their existing stocks. For starters the Bakerloo's 72 stock can't work under the Jubilee's ATO plus their shorter length carriages means their doors will not align with the platform doors along the JLE. The Jubilee Line's 96 stock is the opposite problem in terms of length, their carriages being too long for the twisty section of the Bakerloo Line tunnels, the Waterloo Station area coming to mind on that as the station itself is on the bend. I believe taking out a tube line is the absolute worst case senario which may likely not even happen. However if it were to be then the Circle Line would be the ideal one for implementation as no stations would need to close as they're all served by other S stock lines. I don't know if I've missed something but was it seriously suggested that these lines could be merged? My understanding is that the Bakerloo and/or Jubilee lines are thought the most likely to close in a worst case scenario but there may be a service on part of the line, Stanmore to Wembley Park or Stratford to North Greenwich for example. There are no plans to merge the lines. My post on that aspect was in reply to joefrombow's query on it.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 26, 2021 13:16:08 GMT
Worst case scenario at best would probably be closing the Waterloo&City line and some of those stations like during the lockdown to save money. The press are overly doing this. I suspect it probably will be just the W&C although the media won't be wrong, it will be an entire line. They just won't mention that it only has two stations that are served by other lines. Really depends on what settlement is reached. If you can only afford the tube making a £1bn loss and it is making a £1.5bn loss, cuts will have to go much deeper ... but hoping it does not come to that.
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