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Post by SILENCED on Jun 13, 2022 17:56:34 GMT
How would you propose paying for it? What should be cut instead? They aren’t going to save much at all cutting that part of the route. All they will do is annoy those regular passengers almost all of whom will switch to the car now. What would I cut instead? The Orpington loop. Serving it in both directions causes far too many delays - far more than the Maypole loop ever does. They should make more use of Gravel Pit Way or simply not serve it at all. Cutting off a rural community isn’t on and should never be the answer. I daresay there are a number of lesser used sections of rural routes that are in TfL’s sights now Is it not a case of the operator wanting a reschedule? So it is either, widening headway, loping a few minutes off the route, or the cost of an additional bus, so saving with be great compared to the cost of keeping it, either that or giving rest of the route a poorer service. |
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Post by Paul on Jun 13, 2022 18:55:06 GMT
They aren’t going to save much at all cutting that part of the route. All they will do is annoy those regular passengers almost all of whom will switch to the car now. What would I cut instead? The Orpington loop. Serving it in both directions causes far too many delays - far more than the Maypole loop ever does. They should make more use of Gravel Pit Way or simply not serve it at all. Cutting off a rural community isn’t on and should never be the answer. I daresay there are a number of lesser used sections of rural routes that are in TfL’s sights now Is it not a case of the operator wanting a reschedule? So it is either, widening headway, loping a few minutes off the route, or the cost of an additional bus, so saving with be great compared to the cost of keeping it, either that or giving rest of the route a poorer service. Pretty sure the schedule altered when Go Ahead took the route. We didn’t run it perfectly but I felt we were there or thereabouts most of the time. Perhaps Go Ahead should revert to the old schedule? It should also be remembered that roadworks wrecked the service for a good period of time. We all know that TfL detest split services but they can often be used to good effect to save money. Perhaps sending every other R7 through to Chelsfield would be a decent compromise? |
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Post by danorak on Jun 23, 2022 14:44:44 GMT
Only just caught up with this. I'm sure I replied to this but I haven't had an email or anything, and it's not exactly highlighted on the site.
This is exactly the kind of consultation that gives the whole process a bad name. It just parrots "our data says" without looking at any broader context. Somehow changing buses in Orpington is beyond the pale yet forced changes are all the rage elsewhere. The people affected in Chelsfield have no alternative and have been shafted by TfL's inability to plan properly.
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Post by lonmark on Jul 6, 2022 15:19:57 GMT
who idea for putting the yellow notes up about the change to Route R7 while taking the old timetable down but no timetable up at any bus stops for route R7 becuase of part change in Chesfield Village!
When it was only like more than 2 weeks time! Does it no need to take the timetable down until the day changeover?
TfL needs to pull this pant up or otherwise lose more passengers again!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 0:08:07 GMT
I’d argue that the Chelsfield Village/Maypole loop is more important than the Bickley to Chislehurst extension. There is always traffic jams on the A222 through Chislehurst in the peaks, which would be the main cause of any reliability issues and it’s already served by the 162 & 269. Anyone wanting to get from Orpington to Chislehurst is gonna use the 61, and anyone wanting to get from Petts Wood to Chislehurst will use the 273. So I’d keep the loop as it is much more important and have it run from Chelsfield Village to Bickley.
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Post by lonmark on Jul 12, 2022 6:01:05 GMT
I’d argue that the Chelsfield Village/Maypole loop is more important than the Bickley to Chislehurst extension. There is always traffic jams on the A222 through Chislehurst in the peaks, which would be the main cause of any reliability issues and it’s already served by the 162 & 269. Anyone wanting to get from Orpington to Chislehurst is gonna use the 61, and anyone wanting to get from Petts Wood to Chislehurst will use the 273. So I’d keep the loop as it is much more important and have it run from Chelsfield Village to Bickley. Thank you for the suggestion, unfort I disagree with this suggestion. The reason is, that people do want to go to Chislehurst from Aqua Estate. For me when I finish my work and I can able to use R7 to get to Bickley to contact via route 336 to my home(if the bus had ready gone then I miss it) or I can carry on to Southborough Lane to get contact via bus route 208 to my home. Without R7 to Chislehurst - Bickley would be painful for me to get bus 162 to Bickley and then walk along to the bus stop for bus 336 in time. Bus 273 takes a long way round via St Mary's Cray before reaching Chislehurst or Petts Wood. So R7 didn't take that long to get from Chislehurst to Petts Wood but useful for people live or work easy to get to. I did suggestion to TfL before why not, not runnning via The McDonald after pass the Walnuts then running via Gravel Pit Way may be quick? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 13:45:40 GMT
I’d argue that the Chelsfield Village/Maypole loop is more important than the Bickley to Chislehurst extension. There is always traffic jams on the A222 through Chislehurst in the peaks, which would be the main cause of any reliability issues and it’s already served by the 162 & 269. Anyone wanting to get from Orpington to Chislehurst is gonna use the 61, and anyone wanting to get from Petts Wood to Chislehurst will use the 273. So I’d keep the loop as it is much more important and have it run from Chelsfield Village to Bickley. Thank you for the suggestion, unfort I disagree with this suggestion. The reason is, that people do want to go to Chislehurst from Aqua Estate. For me when I finish my work and I can able to use R7 to get to Bickley to contact via route 336 to my home(if the bus had ready gone then I miss it) or I can carry on to Southborough Lane to get contact via bus route 208 to my home. Without R7 to Chislehurst - Bickley would be painful for me to get bus 162 to Bickley and then walk along to the bus stop for bus 336 in time. Bus 273 takes a long way round via St Mary's Cray before reaching Chislehurst or Petts Wood. So R7 didn't take that long to get from Chislehurst to Petts Wood but useful for people live or work easy to get to. I did suggestion to TfL before why not, not runnning via The McDonald after pass the Walnuts then running via Gravel Pit Way may be quick? How did you manage before they extended the R7 5 years ago out of interest? |
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Post by lonmark on Jul 12, 2022 15:51:56 GMT
Thank you for the suggestion, unfort I disagree with this suggestion. The reason is, that people do want to go to Chislehurst from Aqua Estate. For me when I finish my work and I can able to use R7 to get to Bickley to contact via route 336 to my home(if the bus had ready gone then I miss it) or I can carry on to Southborough Lane to get contact via bus route 208 to my home. Without R7 to Chislehurst - Bickley would be painful for me to get bus 162 to Bickley and then walk along to the bus stop for bus 336 in time. Bus 273 takes a long way round via St Mary's Cray before reaching Chislehurst or Petts Wood. So R7 didn't take that long to get from Chislehurst to Petts Wood but useful for people live or work easy to get to. I did suggestion to TfL before why not, not runnning via The McDonald after pass the Walnuts then running via Gravel Pit Way may be quick? How did you manage before they extended the R7 5 years ago out of interest? good question, I got bus 162 to go to Bickley station and watch out for bus 336 in good enough time for me to get to the right bus stop when I checked the bus countdown app. If not, I carry on to Bromley and then change via bus 208 which I really don't want to as it takes longer journeys time. It is only when nice weather and if I miss bus 336 and I walk all the way down to home which takes me 15 minutes. Sometimes I get bus 273 all the way to Petts wood and walk over the bridge to get bus 208 in good times. R7 is the only one good job for me to get closer to home as possible without going around the long way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 16:42:14 GMT
How did you manage before they extended the R7 5 years ago out of interest? good question, I got bus 162 to go to Bickley station and watch out for bus 336 in good enough time for me to get to the right bus stop when I checked the bus countdown app. If not, I carry on to Bromley and then change via bus 208 which I really don't want to as it takes longer journeys time. It is only when nice weather and if I miss bus 336 and I walk all the way down to home which takes me 15 minutes. Sometimes I get bus 273 all the way to Petts wood and walk over the bridge to get bus 208 in good times. R7 is the only one good job for me to get closer to home as possible without going around the long way. Oh I see. |
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Post by Paul on Jul 12, 2022 18:45:57 GMT
I’d argue that the Chelsfield Village/Maypole loop is more important than the Bickley to Chislehurst extension. There is always traffic jams on the A222 through Chislehurst in the peaks, which would be the main cause of any reliability issues and it’s already served by the 162 & 269. Anyone wanting to get from Orpington to Chislehurst is gonna use the 61, and anyone wanting to get from Petts Wood to Chislehurst will use the 273. So I’d keep the loop as it is much more important and have it run from Chelsfield Village to Bickley. It’s been two years since I drove the R7 but the Bickley to Chislehurst extension did grow to have a very regular clientele. I certainly think the link would be missed if it was withdrawn. There were certainly a number of people who did use the route from Petts Wood to Chislehurst and the delays on that section of route were not as bad as you might think since Prince Imperial Way was used in both directions. There was also plenty of time given to run over that section and fairly good recovery time at Sainsburys. I have no idea if the running time and recovery time changed under Go Ahead though I do agree that the Chelsfield loop is important though and still maintain that it’s madness on TfL’s part to abandon it |
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