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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2021 10:59:57 GMT
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Post by TB123 on Aug 10, 2021 11:02:54 GMT
Very sad, horrible headline to read. Also incredibly disheartening to see people instantly jumping on Twitter and making such crass remarks and hurried judgements about bus drivers in light of this so soon after, made all the more worst by the fact one of the injured is said to be a driver. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2021 11:04:51 GMT
Very sad, horrible headline to read. Also incredibly disheartening to see people instantly jumping on Twitter and making such crass remarks and hurried judgements about bus drivers in light of this so soon after, made all the more worst by the fact one of the injured is said to be a driver. What do you expect from Twitter - I have a Twitter account but very rarely use it because it’s so toxic. |
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Post by TB123 on Aug 10, 2021 11:10:39 GMT
Very sad, horrible headline to read. Also incredibly disheartening to see people instantly jumping on Twitter and making such crass remarks and hurried judgements about bus drivers in light of this so soon after, made all the more worst by the fact one of the injured is said to be a driver. What do you expect from Twitter - I have a Twitter account but very rarely use it because it’s so toxic. Well unfortunately I've seen similar comments re this incident on Facebook as well just now but not quite at same level yet. |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 10, 2021 11:20:54 GMT
Very sad, horrible headline to read. Also incredibly disheartening to see people instantly jumping on Twitter and making such crass remarks and hurried judgements about bus drivers in light of this so soon after, made all the more worst by the fact one of the injured is said to be a driver. What do you expect from Twitter - I have a Twitter account but very rarely use it because it’s so toxic. Condolences to all involved Social media is too toxic frankly - Twitter is the worst one but FB isn’t too far away |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2021 12:07:56 GMT
What do you expect from Twitter - I have a Twitter account but very rarely use it because it’s so toxic. Well unfortunately I've seen similar comments re this incident on Facebook as well just now but not quite at same level yet. Facebook does indeed has its issues but I think it’s less toxic than Twitter or Instagram, the latter of which I’ve no account thankfully |
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Post by danorak on Aug 10, 2021 12:51:52 GMT
The layout of Victoria bus station is not ideal - turning it 90 degrees as once proposed would have been a massive improvement. From my experience of using it and the photos of the scene, I can guess what's happened but I'm sure the facts will emerge. Thoughts with all involved.
As for Twitter, it's best avoided when the political temperature is febrile but at other times it can be great, if you follow people with common interests and a sense of humour, and block diligently.
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 10, 2021 12:57:11 GMT
Judging from LVF SEe36 and 49 the vehicles involved?
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Post by HA2215 on Aug 10, 2021 13:14:36 GMT
The layout of Victoria bus station is not ideal - turning it 90 degrees as once proposed would have been a massive improvement. From my experience of using it and the photos of the scene, I can guess what's happened but I'm sure the facts will emerge. Thoughts with all involved. As for Twitter, it's best avoided when the political temperature is febrile but at other times it can be great, if you follow people with common interests and a sense of humour, and block diligently. To be fair, I used to drive the 73 in there back in the day and 38: when on loan at CT, the layout was never an issue. It can only be one of 3 things. 1, mechanical error. 2, driver medical episode 3, driver neglect. However, at this time we should be concerned with the loss of life and how sad. |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 10, 2021 13:58:36 GMT
The layout of Victoria bus station is not ideal - turning it 90 degrees as once proposed would have been a massive improvement. From my experience of using it and the photos of the scene, I can guess what's happened but I'm sure the facts will emerge. Thoughts with all involved. As for Twitter, it's best avoided when the political temperature is febrile but at other times it can be great, if you follow people with common interests and a sense of humour, and block diligently. To be fair, I used to drive the 73 in there back in the day and 38: when on loan at CT, the layout was never an issue. It can only be one of 3 things. 1, mechanical error. 2, driver medical episode 3, driver neglect. However, at this time we should be concerned with the loss of life and how sad. And to be fair just after this I witnessed a near miss at Blackheath royal standard. I was behind a southbound 108 which in turn was behind a southbound 335 (to be honest the 108 should have waited as I was already on the roundabout having come up stratheden road). If you know the royal standard roundabout, the DDs southbound typically drive through the 202 stand as that’s easier - the inner turn is a touch tight for DDs and potentially even for the single deckers; plus it gets difficult to serve the southbound royal standard bus stop that way ). The 335 went through the 202 stand which was correct - the 108 on the other hand went through the inner turn, mounted a bit of the divider in order to serve the bus stop and came very very close to a collision with the 335 which by now had been overtaken. The 335 had been duly slowing down to serve the stop and the 108 just came out ahead - good of the 335 driver to notice and jump on his breaks (I was right behind the 108 so got a ringside view!) |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2021 14:10:50 GMT
Judging from LVF SEe36 and 49 the vehicles involved? SEe49 certainly was as I saw it's fleet number on this afternoon's ITV News. |
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Post by snowman on Aug 10, 2021 16:15:46 GMT
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Post by HA2215 on Aug 11, 2021 9:51:40 GMT
To be fair, I used to drive the 73 in there back in the day and 38: when on loan at CT, the layout was never an issue. It can only be one of 3 things. 1, mechanical error. 2, driver medical episode 3, driver neglect. However, at this time we should be concerned with the loss of life and how sad. And to be fair just after this I witnessed a near miss at Blackheath royal standard. I was behind a southbound 108 which in turn was behind a southbound 335 (to be honest the 108 should have waited as I was already on the roundabout having come up stratheden road). If you know the royal standard roundabout, the DDs southbound typically drive through the 202 stand as that’s easier - the inner turn is a touch tight for DDs and potentially even for the single deckers; plus it gets difficult to serve the southbound royal standard bus stop that way ). The 335 went through the 202 stand which was correct - the 108 on the other hand went through the inner turn, mounted a bit of the divider in order to serve the bus stop and came very very close to a collision with the 335 which by now had been overtaken. The 335 had been duly slowing down to serve the stop and the 108 just came out ahead - good of the 335 driver to notice and jump on his breaks (I was right behind the 108 so got a ringside view!) I haven’t been in the black Heath area since the 1990’s .. but i know the area and route 108, in fact route 108 was an excellent route… when Kentish was taken over and I did it on spare or on rest days etc … Lea side/ arriva were good then …. Sadly, some bus drivers are not as good as others, and buses are driven more like cars now than when they where when I was a driver, titan, metro and routemaster were. A proper bus to drive. These new rattle boxes are a joke. Shame it wasn’t on dash cam would of been a great catch … |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 11, 2021 10:11:44 GMT
To be fair, I used to drive the 73 in there back in the day and 38: when on loan at CT, the layout was never an issue. It can only be one of 3 things. 1, mechanical error. 2, driver medical episode 3, driver neglect. However, at this time we should be concerned with the loss of life and how sad. And to be fair just after this I witnessed a near miss at Blackheath royal standard. I was behind a southbound 108 which in turn was behind a southbound 335 (to be honest the 108 should have waited as I was already on the roundabout having come up stratheden road). If you know the royal standard roundabout, the DDs southbound typically drive through the 202 stand as that’s easier - the inner turn is a touch tight for DDs and potentially even for the single deckers; plus it gets difficult to serve the southbound royal standard bus stop that way ). The 335 went through the 202 stand which was correct - the 108 on the other hand went through the inner turn, mounted a bit of the divider in order to serve the bus stop and came very very close to a collision with the 335 which by now had been overtaken. The 335 had been duly slowing down to serve the stop and the 108 just came out ahead - good of the 335 driver to notice and jump on his breaks (I was right behind the 108 so got a ringside view!) Most 108s I see either go through the 202 stand or if it's full they carry on and do a U turn, very awkward serving that stop from the inner turn. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 11, 2021 11:01:37 GMT
And to be fair just after this I witnessed a near miss at Blackheath royal standard. I was behind a southbound 108 which in turn was behind a southbound 335 (to be honest the 108 should have waited as I was already on the roundabout having come up stratheden road). If you know the royal standard roundabout, the DDs southbound typically drive through the 202 stand as that’s easier - the inner turn is a touch tight for DDs and potentially even for the single deckers; plus it gets difficult to serve the southbound royal standard bus stop that way ). The 335 went through the 202 stand which was correct - the 108 on the other hand went through the inner turn, mounted a bit of the divider in order to serve the bus stop and came very very close to a collision with the 335 which by now had been overtaken. The 335 had been duly slowing down to serve the stop and the 108 just came out ahead - good of the 335 driver to notice and jump on his breaks (I was right behind the 108 so got a ringside view!) Most 108s I see either go through the 202 stand or if it's full they carry on and do a U turn, very awkward serving that stop from the inner turn. The 108 drivers some do have poor driving standards I’m sorry to say. I have done Route 335 numerous times and have experienced a 108 use the tighter turn and cut up other traffic. A 108 expected me to give way once at that stop as I was pulling out, made him wait for being so forceful. The official place to do the turn at Blackheath, Royal Standard for Routes 108 286 335 to serve the bus stop is actually beyond the 202 stand wide enough for large vehicles. The inner turn should really only be used by Route 386. I either use Route 202 stand or the outer turn. I have never used the inner turn . |
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