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Post by Lukeo on Nov 30, 2021 10:15:52 GMT
The overground would definitely not be able to handle the whole Harrow-Queen's Park section during rush hour (and potentially even busy weekends), and I'm not sure the frequency of the overground can be improved with only one platform at Euston? And even in the central section, although the line overall may not sound busy based on passenger numbers, you have to remember the line is a lot shorter than some others, and the trains are already less frequent - I've used the bakerloo line a few times in the past couple of months between Baker Street-Waterloo and it has actually been very crowded, so can't imagine the other lines being able to handle all the displaced passengers. Possible I just got it at a bad time though.
As mentioned though, we can almost definitely say that a full closure will not happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 22:40:57 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 30, 2021 23:08:47 GMT
Would imagine it's done by infrastructure and usage too, the H&C is both busier and has better train quality than the Bakerloo so is likely to make more money alongside train maintenence costs being cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 23:18:23 GMT
Would imagine it's done by infrastructure and usage too, the H&C is both busier and has better train quality than the Bakerloo so is likely to make more money alongside train maintenence costs being cheaper. Fair enough but I think axing the whole Bakerloo line would be too much, perhaps operating just between Stonebridge Park and Baker Street would be sufficient.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 1, 2021 0:18:19 GMT
Would imagine it's done by infrastructure and usage too, the H&C is both busier and has better train quality than the Bakerloo so is likely to make more money alongside train maintenence costs being cheaper. Fair enough but I think axing the whole Bakerloo line would be too much, perhaps operating just between Stonebridge Park and Baker Street would be sufficient. It's certainly more feasible than a suggestion made earlier where they just reduce the outer parts of the tube - all that would do is just attract far more unwanted attention than instead looking at sections where there are at least another line that runs alongside (Uxbridge to Rayners Lane, Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone, etc). At the end of the day, nothing is even set in stone so we'll have to see what happens
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Post by Alex on Dec 1, 2021 3:09:20 GMT
I’ve read elsewhere about the speculation on service cuts - they’ve already started. We’ve recently had a Jubilee timetable using less trains and a less intense service on the northern part of the line, and a Bakerloo timetable with less trains and frequencies overall. The Circle & Hammersmith has a timetable now with two less trains in the peaks (through differing arrangements when Circle trains at Edgware Road terminate at these times). The relaunch of night tube uses resources in a much more economical way than was used before (and has led to the industrial dispute discussed here already).
The TfL report into funding (nobody saw the KPMG one) indicated major service cuts would not provide a great amount of savings due to the amount of fixed assets. Rolling stock is still there, and track and infrastructure still needs to be maintained. Using a simple analogy, if a piece of track has one train per hour or thirty trains per hour it still needs the same people and resources for the upkeep. Same goes for stock, even if not used much each unit still needs attention for periodic exams and maintenance. I would predict modest cuts on train service (like we’ve seen already) and alterations on station opening/closing hours (and associated staffing reductions) rather than an all out assault.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 2, 2021 13:25:42 GMT
I am sorry, but your attitude towards tube drivers is blatantly disgusting. So because they earn £50k they must do whatever TfL tells them and be submissive. What next, you would want them to be cleaning toilets with their bare hands, or how about take a punch in the face from each passenger when there is a signal failure. Tube drivers are at risk when they crew change or reach the end of the route to go to the next side or putting passengers off. I have known of them being assaulted verbally and physically, same as what has happened to bus drivers. Night work should NOT be compulsory especially if you did NOT sign up for it. Footballer do and have complained about their wage, and at times have threatened to leave to other clubs. If you think they earn to much, then why don't you go for the job yourself. I travelled to work by tube and train on the strike Friday, I could have drove but chose not to. After all, if you are willing to you would. I couldn't care less if I have this attitude, I know many members of the public feel the exact same way. I'm sure if it was well publicised how much a tube driver earns then there'd be an uprising. Also yes, if you earn 50K I'd hope you would do what your employer is paying you that sort of money for. It should never be a case where an employee takes away an effectively middle class wage and then also dictates terms to an employer who's paying them that sort of wage. It's laughable you say that tube drivers put themselves at risk when they change drivers which is probably less than 10% of their total shift time, as opposed to around 99% of the total shift time of hospital staff and retail workers. Apart from the very little time they spend changing drivers they spend pretty much the entire journey in a cab. Jobs change, if the tube drivers are refusing to adapt then you'll have to force them to adapt and if that be working through the night for 4 nights out of 365 then so be it. Again if in a retail or hospital setting you refused to follow this you'd be sacked without hesitation. It's funny that they claim it would "wreck" home/life balance. What are the rest of the night workers in other industries to them then? People who have no life? When you pay well in the thousands for your travel each year, and you see people striking for more money when their wages are 50K a year and they get free transport it just screams of total entitlement. The general public who generally earn a lot less than them have places to be and will most likely get their pay docked if they're late to work and then don't make the hours up. You just do NOT get it. Night work should not be forced upon anyone. If they signed up for day work and now are being forced to do nights, it is completely wrong. I could understand if TfL said all new entrants would now have to work 4 nights per year, but to force it on existing staff on same pay is in effect a pay cut.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 2, 2021 13:38:36 GMT
I’ve read elsewhere about the speculation on service cuts - they’ve already started. We’ve recently had a Jubilee timetable using less trains and a less intense service on the northern part of the line, and a Bakerloo timetable with less trains and frequencies overall. The Circle & Hammersmith has a timetable now with two less trains in the peaks (through differing arrangements when Circle trains at Edgware Road terminate at these times). The relaunch of night tube uses resources in a much more economical way than was used before (and has led to the industrial dispute discussed here already). The TfL report into funding (nobody saw the KPMG one) indicated major service cuts would not provide a great amount of savings due to the amount of fixed assets. Rolling stock is still there, and track and infrastructure still needs to be maintained. Using a simple analogy, if a piece of track has one train per hour or thirty trains per hour it still needs the same people and resources for the upkeep. Same goes for stock, even if not used much each unit still needs attention for periodic exams and maintenance. I would predict modest cuts on train service (like we’ve seen already) and alterations on station opening/closing hours (and associated staffing reductions) rather than an all out assault. I guess some station closures temporarily may save on electricity etc. Especially less busy stations. Also on staffing costs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 17:53:10 GMT
In my opinion, living near stations on that branch all my life, the Piccadilly line can be cut to Rayner's Lane. Often I have to change to the Metropolitan, and the frequency of the Piccadilly beyond Rayner's Lane is so little that there's hardly any point
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 11, 2022 11:34:11 GMT
Looks like there would be more from the RMT this year. London Underground: Workers vote to strikeLondon Underground workers have voted to strike in a dispute over jobs, pensions and conditions.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59943342
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