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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 17, 2022 15:02:04 GMT
But that's probably why they have done their review on a corridor by corridor basis. Hence finding that the same capacity is needed between H&I and Nags Head (hence the 21 extension) but not between Nags Head and Archway (which is why the 271 is being left to the 17, 43 and 263). Some of their 'reviews' do not match though - for example, the A23 corridor south of Kennington has not recessed as much as some might like to think yet several routes have been cut and unnecessary rumours floating around of yet more. Couple that with LTN's being implemented and a lack of positive messaging about public transport in general, it's no wonder why car usage even in low ownership areas has started increasing. Public Transport is bouncing back quite a lot. If we're on about the A23, the 159 whenever I see it seems to have really healthy loads, although on the Central London section, and the 35/133 look really healthy as well.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 17, 2022 15:24:46 GMT
Some of their 'reviews' do not match though - for example, the A23 corridor south of Kennington has not recessed as much as some might like to think yet several routes have been cut and unnecessary rumours floating around of yet more. Couple that with LTN's being implemented and a lack of positive messaging about public transport in general, it's no wonder why car usage even in low ownership areas has started increasing. Public Transport is bouncing back quite a lot. If we're on about the A23, the 159 whenever I see it seems to have really healthy loads, although on the Central London section, and the 35/133 look really healthy as well. It's revival is being undermined by these unnecessary measures which is my point.
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Post by abellion on Feb 17, 2022 17:30:46 GMT
Some of their 'reviews' do not match though - for example, the A23 corridor south of Kennington has not recessed as much as some might like to think yet several routes have been cut and unnecessary rumours floating around of yet more. Couple that with LTN's being implemented and a lack of positive messaging about public transport in general, it's no wonder why car usage even in low ownership areas has started increasing. Public Transport is bouncing back quite a lot. If we're on about the A23, the 159 whenever I see it seems to have really healthy loads, although on the Central London section, and the 35/133 look really healthy as well. 35/133 around London Bridge in the PM peak are incredibly well used, them and the 21 are always coming full in both directions
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 17, 2022 19:07:13 GMT
Public Transport is bouncing back quite a lot. If we're on about the A23, the 159 whenever I see it seems to have really healthy loads, although on the Central London section, and the 35/133 look really healthy as well. 35/133 around London Bridge in the PM peak are incredibly well used, them and the 21 are always coming full in both directions However you should take onto effect the Northern line closure, a lot of the usage coming from the city towards London Bridge are displaced commuters that will switch back when the Northern Line reopens.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 17, 2022 23:46:07 GMT
35/133 around London Bridge in the PM peak are incredibly well used, them and the 21 are always coming full in both directions However you should take onto effect the Northern line closure, a lot of the usage coming from the city towards London Bridge are displaced commuters that will switch back when the Northern Line reopens. Although, the 133 was still loading particularly well pre Northern Line closure.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 17, 2022 23:55:54 GMT
However you should take onto effect the Northern line closure, a lot of the usage coming from the city towards London Bridge are displaced commuters that will switch back when the Northern Line reopens. Although, the 133 was still loading particularly well pre Northern Line closure. The 133 I always for some reason find to be quite a short route but one that gets so busy. It was a surprising one to cut on the southern end in regards to frequency but one that in the Northern End didn’t surprise me.
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Post by mkay315 on Feb 18, 2022 10:44:59 GMT
Although, the 133 was still loading particularly well pre Northern Line closure. The 133 I always for some reason find to be quite a short route but one that gets so busy. It was a surprising one to cut on the southern end in regards to frequency but one that in the Northern End didn’t surprise me. I wouldn't say it's a short route as it does go through the heart of Brixton and Streatham to Liverpool Street. That is a bit of a journey.
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Post by TB123 on Feb 18, 2022 10:46:56 GMT
The 133 I always for some reason find to be quite a short route but one that gets so busy. It was a surprising one to cut on the southern end in regards to frequency but one that in the Northern End didn’t surprise me. I wouldn't say it's a short route as it does go through the heart of Brixton and Streatham to Liverpool Street. That is a bit of a journey. Indeed I'm not sure any route with a cycle time of 3 hours during the peaks is a 'short' route. Quite hefty that. Time is what matters with route length and not distance.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 18, 2022 11:10:39 GMT
I wouldn't say it's a short route as it does go through the heart of Brixton and Streatham to Liverpool Street. That is a bit of a journey. Indeed I'm not sure any route with a cycle time of 3 hours during the peaks is a 'short' route. Quite hefty that. Time is what matters with route length and not distance. I was more judging it off distance but yes you are right.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 18, 2022 11:40:19 GMT
I wouldn't say it's a short route as it does go through the heart of Brixton and Streatham to Liverpool Street. That is a bit of a journey. Indeed I'm not sure any route with a cycle time of 3 hours during the peaks is a 'short' route. Quite hefty that. Time is what matters with route length and not distance. 3 hours. Surely if you are only really unfit! 🤣😂
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2022 12:36:55 GMT
The 133 I always for some reason find to be quite a short route but one that gets so busy. It was a surprising one to cut on the southern end in regards to frequency but one that in the Northern End didn’t surprise me. I wouldn't say it's a short route as it does go through the heart of Brixton and Streatham to Liverpool Street. That is a bit of a journey. Indeed, it’s not a short route especially when the A23 is clogged up in places. Again, there is a good reason it was cut back from Tooting Broadway
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 18, 2022 12:53:43 GMT
I wouldn't say it's a short route as it does go through the heart of Brixton and Streatham to Liverpool Street. That is a bit of a journey. Indeed, it’s not a short route especially when the A23 is clogged up in places. Again, there is a good reason it was cut back from Tooting Broadway I've seen the 333 bus stop at Tooting Broadway get really busy so yes having a more reliable service for custom from Brixton Hill & Brixton down to Tooting Broadway was probably a good idea.
I think the 133/333 split was well thought out.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 18, 2022 13:29:23 GMT
Indeed, it’s not a short route especially when the A23 is clogged up in places. Again, there is a good reason it was cut back from Tooting Broadway I've seen the 333 bus stop at Tooting Broadway get really busy so yes having a more reliable service for custom from Brixton Hill & Brixton down to Tooting Broadway was probably a good idea.
I think the 133/333 split was well thought out.
Alot of those 2003 splits were pretty good as they took people pretty much as far they wanted to go. Most from Tooting Broadway wouldn't have gone beyond Brixton due to the Northern line and 155 so localising that section made sense. Same with the 363, 390 and 436 and 476.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2022 14:16:36 GMT
Indeed, it’s not a short route especially when the A23 is clogged up in places. Again, there is a good reason it was cut back from Tooting Broadway I've seen the 333 bus stop at Tooting Broadway get really busy so yes having a more reliable service for custom from Brixton Hill & Brixton down to Tooting Broadway was probably a good idea.
I think the 133/333 split was well thought out.
It was - we got a more reliable link to Tooting as a result, just a shame by this point that the lovely VC's were no longer around at this point. And then the 333 got a nice local bonus with the diversion via Stockwell too.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 18, 2022 14:23:58 GMT
I've seen the 333 bus stop at Tooting Broadway get really busy so yes having a more reliable service for custom from Brixton Hill & Brixton down to Tooting Broadway was probably a good idea.
I think the 133/333 split was well thought out.
It was - we got a more reliable link to Tooting as a result, just a shame by this point that the lovely VC's were no longer around at this point. And then the 333 got a nice local bonus with the diversion via Stockwell too. Wasn't there concern over the loss of link between Brixton Road & Tooting Broadway though? I agree it looked to be great with the diversion and the 333 pre pandemic racked up 6m+ passengers annually.
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