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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 19, 2023 21:23:49 GMT
Iv seen on the Londoner FB page that the bus stops have already started being altered to remove the 21 between Newington Green and Hoxton. Not sure if they have started removing the 271 yet with a week to go. Two weeks to go. Seems a bit premature to me but trying to understand TfL logic is near impossible these days. Yes ofcourse it's still got this weekend and next weekend aswell still to go. I was thinking it only had this weekend to go.
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Post by greg on Jan 19, 2023 22:12:51 GMT
271 tiles are still in effect as I had rode on the 76 and there were still 271 tiles on stops from Baring Street to Finsbury Square
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 19, 2023 22:17:35 GMT
Iv seen on the Londoner FB page that the bus stops have already started being altered to remove the 21 between Newington Green and Hoxton. Not sure if they have started removing the 271 yet with a week to go. Two weeks to go. Seems a bit premature to me but trying to understand TfL logic is near impossible these days. Two weeks early is definitely better than however many weeks late, judging by TfL's track record in recent years. The last wholesale changes were in east London in May; non-conflicting changes like putting the 104 tiles on Woolwich Manor Way and the 304 tiles on Lonsdale Avenue were done in the days before the change. Timetable updates took much longer, closer to a month to swap the old 104 ones in East Ham.
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Post by VMH2537 on Jan 21, 2023 7:28:17 GMT
The ibus announcements on the 234 are announcing there will be changes to the route from the 4th February.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jan 23, 2023 8:51:42 GMT
Tbh I don't really agree with the 234 extension. I don't think it's the right route to extend. The 234 is longer than the 263 between Highgate and Barnet, whilst it will duplicate the 43/134 even more, albeit by taking a different route between Highgate and Muswell Hill. For these reasons I don't think that the extension will be well used. The 43 already covers most of the links between Highgate and Moorgate on the 271 with the exception being between Highbury Corner and Old Street. Perhaps the Highgate section of the 271 could be replaced by diverting the 43 between Highgate and Archway via Southwood Lane and Highgate Hill. Highgate Village currently has no link to Muswell Hill. the 143 and 263 would not need to be changed in my proposal
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 23, 2023 9:13:52 GMT
Tbh I don't really agree with the 234 extension. I don't think it's the right route to extend. The 234 is longer than the 263 between Highgate and Barnet, whilst it will duplicate the 43/134 even more, albeit by taking a different route between Highgate and Muswell Hill. For these reasons I don't think that the extension will be well used. The 43 already covers most of the links between Highgate and Moorgate on the 271 with the exception being between Highbury Corner and Old Street. Perhaps the Highgate section of the 271 could be replaced by diverting the 43 between Highgate and Archway via Southwood Lane and Highgate Hill. Highgate Village currently has no link to Muswell Hill. the 143 and 263 would not need to be changed in my proposal I don't think Southwood Lane would be suitable for an intensive double-deck route such as the 43. It has had buses before but these were Optare CityPacer midibuses that were used on the C2 during the 1980s - garage journeys to and from a base at Coppets Wood (Muswell Hill) operated this way. I don't see anything wrong with extending the 234 to Archway via Archway Road in place of the 263. The original proposal was to have the 143 operate via Archway Road but this was dropped in favour of extending the 234.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 23, 2023 14:24:24 GMT
Bus stops through Highgate now changed to 234 rather then 263 and south of Archway now have 271 removed and N271 added. 21 added up to Holloway aswell.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 23, 2023 16:59:29 GMT
In my opinion the 234 is far more suited to the Archway Road than the 263. The 263 between Archway and Highgate Wood doesn't pick up much in the way of clientele, the 263 is used by far more long distance passengers and those who get on the 263 at Highgate Station tend to go only up to Highgate Wood/East Finchley.
The 263 diversion via Highgate Village is sensible, supports the 143 immensely and a lot of people get off the 143 at East Finchley towards Brent X to change onto the 263 anyway. Plus retains all links currently offered by the 271, and there has long been calls by residents and local MPs to extend the 271 to East Finchley Station to support the 143, well this in effect solves that.
The 43 via Southwood Lane? What! Clearly no local knowledge of the area in that suggestion
Muswell Hill to Highgate Village/Hampstead it could be argued is a yearned for link although with the 263 now serving the full length of North Hill with the 143 I don't know if there would be any considerations to implement this link. Perhaps a review of the H3 could at least link East Finchley/Muswell Hill to Hampstead, although not too sure on how that would go down with Hampstead Garden Suburb residents.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 23, 2023 17:34:08 GMT
In my opinion the 234 is far more suited to the Archway Road than the 263. The 263 between Archway and Highgate Wood doesn't pick up much in the way of clientele, the 263 is used by far more long distance passengers and those who get on the 263 at Highgate Station tend to go only up to Highgate Wood/East Finchley. The 263 diversion via Highgate Village is sensible, supports the 143 immensely and a lot of people get off the 143 at East Finchley towards Brent X to change onto the 263 anyway. Plus retains all links currently offered by the 271, and there has long been calls by residents and local MPs to extend the 271 to East Finchley Station to support the 143, well this in effect solves that. The 43 via Southwood Lane? What! Clearly no local knowledge of the area in that suggestion Muswell Hill to Highgate Village/Hampstead it could be argued is a yearned for link although with the 263 now serving the full length of North Hill with the 143 I don't know if there would be any considerations to implement this link. Perhaps a review of the H3 could at least link East Finchley/Muswell Hill to Hampstead, although not too sure on how that would go down with Hampstead Garden Suburb residents. The upping of the 603 all day by way of diverting the 268 at Jack Straws Castle I believe was considered in the past to link Muswell Hill/Highgate to Royal Free.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 23, 2023 17:50:36 GMT
Iv seen on the Londoner FB page that the bus stops have already started being altered to remove the 21 between Newington Green and Hoxton. Not sure if they have started removing the 271 yet with a week to go. Two weeks to go. Seems a bit premature to me but trying to understand TfL logic is near impossible these days. They did exactly the same in east London last May for the Elizabeth Line changes. I know a lot of work is involved but surely a few days before the changes are better than two weeks.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 23, 2023 17:54:05 GMT
Two weeks to go. Seems a bit premature to me but trying to understand TfL logic is near impossible these days. They did exactly the same in east London last May for the Elizabeth Line changes. I know a lot of work is involved but surely a few days before the changes are better than two weeks. The joke is the timetables won't be changed probably for weeks.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 23, 2023 18:43:03 GMT
Two weeks to go. Seems a bit premature to me but trying to understand TfL logic is near impossible these days. They did exactly the same in east London last May for the Elizabeth Line changes. I know a lot of work is involved but surely a few days before the changes are better than two weeks. That's what I said as well when I went down to Bexleyheath a couple of Saturdays ago - B13 change was laid out a week in advance which meant anyone needing to use the route before the change had no timetables or stop tiles to look for.
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Post by mkay315 on Jan 24, 2023 13:25:58 GMT
In my opinion the 234 is far more suited to the Archway Road than the 263. The 263 between Archway and Highgate Wood doesn't pick up much in the way of clientele, the 263 is used by far more long distance passengers and those who get on the 263 at Highgate Station tend to go only up to Highgate Wood/East Finchley. The 263 diversion via Highgate Village is sensible, supports the 143 immensely and a lot of people get off the 143 at East Finchley towards Brent X to change onto the 263 anyway. Plus retains all links currently offered by the 271, and there has long been calls by residents and local MPs to extend the 271 to East Finchley Station to support the 143, well this in effect solves that. The 43 via Southwood Lane? What! Clearly no local knowledge of the area in that suggestion Muswell Hill to Highgate Village/Hampstead it could be argued is a yearned for link although with the 263 now serving the full length of North Hill with the 143 I don't know if there would be any considerations to implement this link. Perhaps a review of the H3 could at least link East Finchley/Muswell Hill to Hampstead, although not too sure on how that would go down with Hampstead Garden Suburb residents. My question would be in a parallel universe if the 271 was saved and extended to East Finchley is there a stand over there (my memory is a bit blurry when it comes to the stands around that part of london) I only know of Highgate Wood, Muswell Hill and North Finchley after Highgate onwards from that direction.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2023 13:49:31 GMT
In my opinion the 234 is far more suited to the Archway Road than the 263. The 263 between Archway and Highgate Wood doesn't pick up much in the way of clientele, the 263 is used by far more long distance passengers and those who get on the 263 at Highgate Station tend to go only up to Highgate Wood/East Finchley. The 263 diversion via Highgate Village is sensible, supports the 143 immensely and a lot of people get off the 143 at East Finchley towards Brent X to change onto the 263 anyway. Plus retains all links currently offered by the 271, and there has long been calls by residents and local MPs to extend the 271 to East Finchley Station to support the 143, well this in effect solves that. The 43 via Southwood Lane? What! Clearly no local knowledge of the area in that suggestion Muswell Hill to Highgate Village/Hampstead it could be argued is a yearned for link although with the 263 now serving the full length of North Hill with the 143 I don't know if there would be any considerations to implement this link. Perhaps a review of the H3 could at least link East Finchley/Muswell Hill to Hampstead, although not too sure on how that would go down with Hampstead Garden Suburb residents. My question would be in a parallel universe if the 271 was saved and extended to East Finchley is there a stand over there (my memory is a bit blurry when it comes to the stands around that part of london) I only know of Highgate Wood, Muswell Hill and North Finchley after Highgate onwards from that direction. There’s a stand before the station on the main road
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Post by mkay315 on Jan 24, 2023 15:53:49 GMT
My question would be in a parallel universe if the 271 was saved and extended to East Finchley is there a stand over there (my memory is a bit blurry when it comes to the stands around that part of london) I only know of Highgate Wood, Muswell Hill and North Finchley after Highgate onwards from that direction. There’s a stand before the station on the main road Cheers for that
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