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Post by wirewiper on Mar 22, 2022 16:49:53 GMT
The 188 and N188 were extended to Euston during the Olympic and Paralympic Games simply because the usual stand at Russell Square was requisitioned for a special shuttle service - I think it was the one to what is now Here East, where a media centre was set up for reporters and commentators. I thought it was because buses were unable to turn right onto Russell Square. In any case, the original poster asked if TfL had any data with regards to the 188N going to Euston. It's a decade out of date, but I mentioned that to try to suffice the question. It may have been that rather than the stand not being available. Whichever it was though, the extension was for operational reasons rather than any perceived passenger demand.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 22, 2022 18:09:34 GMT
I thought it was because buses were unable to turn right onto Russell Square. In any case, the original poster asked if TfL had any data with regards to the 188N going to Euston. It's a decade out of date, but I mentioned that to try to suffice the question. It may have been that rather than the stand not being available. Whichever it was though, the extension was for operational reasons rather than any perceived passenger demand. As I eluded to in my previous post, night trips on the 188 could've been truncated to Holborn; an option that wasn't taken up for example. We seem however to have veered off shore to the fact that TfL does have (or did have) data for the 188N going to Euston, which is what I was originally responding to. We can talk about personal opinions and facts, but I don't believe I have been the one to amalgamate the two.
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Post by abellion on Mar 24, 2022 7:00:54 GMT
Not sure if this has been said already but there could have been a 172 diversion to TCR with the 188 cut to Aldwych. The 188 is so long and tedious already and the 172 isn’t really as prone to traffic apart from usual traffic in the central section and New Cross, but at least the removal of the 168 might contribute to the 172 not being as dead north of Elephant
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Post by danorak on Mar 24, 2022 20:14:53 GMT
Not sure if this has been said already but there could have been a 172 diversion to TCR with the 188 cut to Aldwych. The 188 is so long and tedious already and the 172 isn’t really as prone to traffic apart from usual traffic in the central section and New Cross, but least the removal of the 168 might contribute to the 172 not being as dead north of Elephant Yes, think I suggested it upthread. It makes me wonder whether TfL may have other ideas for the 172 in the pipeline.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2022 10:03:10 GMT
Will the 1s contract be terminated and the 1 taking the 168’s contract I.e the 1 going to Metroline? I wonder if LTs can get around the 1. Both contracts are due to expire at this time. One contract will be issued for the new '1' ... seems it will be winner takes all, whether it be GAL or Metroline ... or some 3rd party imposter Not wishing this to happen, but Abellio or Arriva could be in the running for route 1 too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 10:12:02 GMT
Both contracts are due to expire at this time. One contract will be issued for the new '1' ... seems it will be winner takes all, whether it be GAL or Metroline ... or some 3rd party imposter Not wishing this to happen, but Abellio or Arriva could be in the running for route 1 too. This new 1 route really is winner takes all. I bet several companies are lining up right now ready to place their bids.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2022 10:32:55 GMT
Not wishing this to happen, but Abellio or Arriva could be in the running for route 1 too. This new 1 route really is winner takes all. I bet several companies are lining up right now ready to place their bids. It is indeed a Winner Takes It All route. For all the changes north and south over the years, it has continued to serve Waterloo.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 2, 2022 10:45:57 GMT
Not wishing this to happen, but Abellio or Arriva could be in the running for route 1 too. This new 1 route really is winner takes all. I bet several companies are lining up right now ready to place their bids. I think GAL will have the upper hand for the 1/N1 and 21/N21. Both are in tranches littered with other GAL routes which should make it easier to retain all of them, doesn’t mean that another operator couldn’t put a strong bid for either. My money is on a GAL retention for both routes though. Suitable vehicles, route knowledge and a track record of running long cross city routes, I.e. 88, should all benefit GAL here. Happy to be proven wrong though.
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Post by danorak on Apr 2, 2022 11:08:24 GMT
This new 1 route really is winner takes all. I bet several companies are lining up right now ready to place their bids. It is indeed a Winner Takes It All route. For all the changes north and south over the years, it has continued to serve Waterloo. There'll be no shortage of bidders saying Take A Chance on Me, but then that's The Name of the Game...
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2022 11:26:03 GMT
This new 1 route really is winner takes all. I bet several companies are lining up right now ready to place their bids. I think GAL will have the upper hand for the 1/N1 and 21/N21. Both are in tranches littered with other GAL routes which should make it easier to retain all of them, doesn’t mean that another operator couldn’t put a strong bid for either. My money is on a GAL retention for both routes though. Suitable vehicles, route knowledge and a track record of running long cross city routes, I.e. 88, should all benefit GAL here. Happy to be proven wrong though. Yes, route 1 will still feel like a GA "south London" route even when extended to Hampstead Heath. Similarly route 21, which will not even reach HT once diverted to Holloway.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2022 11:32:26 GMT
It is indeed a Winner Takes It All route. For all the changes north and south over the years, it has continued to serve Waterloo. There'll be no shortage of bidders saying Take A Chance on Me, but then that's The Name of the Game... The day of the route 1 & 188 changes will make London Summer Night City.
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Post by COBO on May 11, 2022 1:53:24 GMT
Weren’t one of the points behind the 168 being extended from Elephant & Castle to Old Kent Road Tesco’s was to take pressure of the 168 as well as create a new link. So with the 168 gone what happened to the 172 will the 172 manage without 172?
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Post by southlondonbus on May 11, 2022 5:50:57 GMT
Weren’t one of the points behind the 168 being extended from Elephant & Castle to Old Kent Road Tesco’s was to take pressure of the 168 as well as create a new link. So with the 168 gone what happened to the 172 will the 172 manage without 172? I guess TFL have analysed the data and seen that since the 168 was extended in 2005 down the OKR demand has dropped a little.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 11, 2022 10:16:24 GMT
If the 1's stand did have to be removed, could the former 134 stand be used again (maybe swapping with the 176 if needed)? Probably wouldn't be much of an issue though if the 188 had to remain at Russell Square, as the 176 does link Tottenham Court Road to Waterloo and Elephant & Castle. The old 134 stand near the Shaftsbury Theatre doesn’t exist anymore because it’s now two way there with a cycle lane on each side. There is so little stand space left at TCR.
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Post by greenboy on May 11, 2022 11:14:49 GMT
The old 134 stand near the Shaftsbury Theatre doesn’t exist anymore because it’s now two way there with a cycle lane on each side. There is so little stand space left at TCR. Only enough space for the 1,8 and 176.
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