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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2023 19:01:26 GMT
Yes it's had quite a history really with extensions cut back only to be re extended again. This time in the opposite direction into north London. Thou ofcourse it did start in North London from Willesdon to Lewisham. The Bromley section was really a re number of the first incarnation of the 199 from Waterloo to Farnborough.
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Post by T.R. on Sept 23, 2023 21:27:27 GMT
Sorry to dig this up. A week to go, and we’re finally getting notices at bus stops. In this case, Waterloo. However — at Holborn, nothing.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 23, 2023 21:44:22 GMT
Sorry to dig this up. A week to go, and we’re finally getting notices at bus stops. In this case, Waterloo: I wonder if any stops have been changed yet. With the other central ones in April and the 21/271 they seemed to be changed quite early.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 23, 2023 21:57:15 GMT
Sorry to dig this up. A week to go, and we’re finally getting notices at bus stops. In this case, Waterloo. However — at Holborn, nothing. A shame that TfL are continuing this policy of providing dumbed down notices though at least it has a map. That said, I can't see why they can't tell people the frequency change rather than simply cop out with a "for more information, visit associated website" sentence.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 23, 2023 22:05:20 GMT
Sorry to dig this up. A week to go, and we’re finally getting notices at bus stops. In this case, Waterloo. {Picture removed to save server space} However — at Holborn, nothing. Call me a pedantic prude, but the advertising of increased frequencies on the new route 1 is a white lie. Only the section between Bricklayers Arms and Canada Water is getting a marginal increase. On the positive side, I have been informing my friends who live in the Surrey Quays area about the 1's extension and surprisingly getting positive feedback from it. I suspect Canada Water- Camden journeys will be very popular with punters, particularly during the evenings.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 23, 2023 22:44:31 GMT
Sorry to dig this up. A week to go, and we’re finally getting notices at bus stops. In this case, Waterloo. {Picture removed to save server space} However — at Holborn, nothing. Call me a pedantic prude, but the advertising of increased frequencies on the new route 1 is a white lie. Only the section between Bricklayers Arms and Canada Water is getting a marginal increase. On the positive side, I have been informing my friends who live in the Surrey Quays area about the 1's extension and surprisingly getting positive feedback from it. I suspect Canada Water- Camden journeys will be very popular with punters, particularly during the evenings. It should help the Jubilee and Northern via London Bridge if passengers choose to use the 1 rather than the tube.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 24, 2023 1:11:20 GMT
Call me a pedantic prude, but the advertising of increased frequencies on the new route 1 is a white lie. Only the section between Bricklayers Arms and Canada Water is getting a marginal increase. On the positive side, I have been informing my friends who live in the Surrey Quays area about the 1's extension and surprisingly getting positive feedback from it. I suspect Canada Water- Camden journeys will be very popular with punters, particularly during the evenings. It should help the Jubilee and Northern via London Bridge if passengers choose to use the 1 rather than the tube. Don't think the 1 has had Tube/train strike extras, but covering 13* stations come September 30th would certainly elevate it for qualification. Quite a few people are excited for this extension, and hopefully should be reliable enough to operate as the 21 to Holloway has been. *Including South Bermondsey, but this station and Deptford I like to ignore exist due to their poor location.
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Post by Mokujin on Sept 24, 2023 4:05:02 GMT
Sorry to dig this up. A week to go, and we’re finally getting notices at bus stops. In this case, Waterloo. However — at Holborn, nothing. Deptford, Greenwich, Surrey Quays and Canada Water have had notices at their stops for the past week or two.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 24, 2023 8:57:30 GMT
Call me a pedantic prude, but the advertising of increased frequencies on the new route 1 is a white lie. Only the section between Bricklayers Arms and Canada Water is getting a marginal increase. On the positive side, I have been informing my friends who live in the Surrey Quays area about the 1's extension and surprisingly getting positive feedback from it. I suspect Canada Water- Camden journeys will be very popular with punters, particularly during the evenings. It should help the Jubilee and Northern via London Bridge if passengers choose to use the 1 rather than the tube. Personally can't see people switching from faster trains to buses. I can't really see a sudden change in travel patterns, people that used to use the 168 will now a catch a 1 and those who used to change for a 168 for onward journeys further north than Tottenham Court road now won't need to. It's not like a whole new route but this is just how I see it.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 24, 2023 12:28:55 GMT
It should help the Jubilee and Northern via London Bridge if passengers choose to use the 1 rather than the tube. Personally can't see people switching from faster trains to buses. I can't really see a sudden change in travel patterns, people that used to use the 168 will now a catch a 1 and those who used to change for a 168 for onward journeys further north than Tottenham Court road now won't need to. It's not like a whole new route but this is just how I see it. Hmm, an opinion from someone who doesn't live in the area, likely doesn't know anyone in the area and someone who hasn't been going to Surrey Quays for 13 years. Your opinion seems informed... The 1 has strong patronage around Grange Road due to no rail links in the area. During the evenings, passengers in central London opt for one bus instead of the Tube and bus as the journey times are negligible. That's from passengers who can afford to make that switch alone. There'd be those on the breadline who'll take advantage of such a long, connected route. People can make quicker journeys by train but routes like the 18, 25, 149, 205 are still rammed with Joe & Jenny Public. Trains are quicker but people still flock to Greenwich town centre on Sundays by bus. But what do I know? 🤷
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 24, 2023 12:30:35 GMT
Sorry to dig this up. A week to go, and we’re finally getting notices at bus stops. In this case, Waterloo: I wonder if any stops have been changed yet. With the other central ones in April and the 21/271 they seemed to be changed quite early. I don't think the 21 to Holloway, Nags Head ibus announcement has been updated/recorded yet though.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 24, 2023 16:52:39 GMT
Personally can't see people switching from faster trains to buses. I can't really see a sudden change in travel patterns, people that used to use the 168 will now a catch a 1 and those who used to change for a 168 for onward journeys further north than Tottenham Court road now won't need to. It's not like a whole new route but this is just how I see it. Hmm, an opinion from someone who doesn't live in the area, likely doesn't know anyone in the area and someone who hasn't been going to Surrey Quays for 13 years. Your opinion seems informed... The 1 has strong patronage around Grange Road due to no rail links in the area. During the evenings, passengers in central London opt for one bus instead of the Tube and bus as the journey times are negligible. That's from passengers who can afford to make that switch alone. There'd be those on the breadline who'll take advantage of such a long, connected route. People can make quicker journeys by train but routes like the 18, 25, 149, 205 are still rammed with Joe & Jenny Public. Trains are quicker but people still flock to Greenwich town centre on Sundays by bus. But what do I know? 🤷 In fairness what he was saying was that the new structure won't necessarily find a large amount of new passengers which it probably true. Most route 1 passengers Will still have exactly the same route to use (or will switch to the 188 from CW/Bricklayers Arms to reach TCR) and most who use the 168 will simply have to switch the 1.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 24, 2023 16:58:37 GMT
Personally can't see people switching from faster trains to buses. I can't really see a sudden change in travel patterns, people that used to use the 168 will now a catch a 1 and those who used to change for a 168 for onward journeys further north than Tottenham Court road now won't need to. It's not like a whole new route but this is just how I see it. Hmm, an opinion from someone who doesn't live in the area, likely doesn't know anyone in the area and someone who hasn't been going to Surrey Quays for 13 years. Your opinion seems informed... The 1 has strong patronage around Grange Road due to no rail links in the area. During the evenings, passengers in central London opt for one bus instead of the Tube and bus as the journey times are negligible. That's from passengers who can afford to make that switch alone. There'd be those on the breadline who'll take advantage of such a long, connected route. People can make quicker journeys by train but routes like the 18, 25, 149, 205 are still rammed with Joe & Jenny Public. Trains are quicker but people still flock to Greenwich town centre on Sundays by bus. But what do I know? 🤷 I can't see the 1 being revolutionary as a route, it's not one I'd compare to the 18 etc but more so the 88 and 21. Neither routes have been revolutionary when they've been extended to North London and I doubt the 1 will be the same. You'll get a couple thousand making use of the new link, but I can't see it happening all the way from Surrey Quays at all.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 24, 2023 17:14:26 GMT
Hmm, an opinion from someone who doesn't live in the area, likely doesn't know anyone in the area and someone who hasn't been going to Surrey Quays for 13 years. Your opinion seems informed... The 1 has strong patronage around Grange Road due to no rail links in the area. During the evenings, passengers in central London opt for one bus instead of the Tube and bus as the journey times are negligible. That's from passengers who can afford to make that switch alone. There'd be those on the breadline who'll take advantage of such a long, connected route. People can make quicker journeys by train but routes like the 18, 25, 149, 205 are still rammed with Joe & Jenny Public. Trains are quicker but people still flock to Greenwich town centre on Sundays by bus. But what do I know? 🤷 I can't see the 1 being revolutionary as a route, it's not one I'd compare to the 18 etc but more so the 88 and 21. Neither routes have been revolutionary when they've been extended to North London and I doubt the 1 will be the same. You'll get a couple thousand making use of the new link, but I can't see it happening all the way from Surrey Quays at all. There seems to have been a small-scale trend to combine routes and have fewer buses terminating in Central London, usually North-to-South routes as the distance across the Centre is much smaller than East-to-West. I suspect it is about reducing duplicated mileage in the Centre rather than any tangible passenger benefit.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 24, 2023 17:27:56 GMT
I can't see the 1 being revolutionary as a route, it's not one I'd compare to the 18 etc but more so the 88 and 21. Neither routes have been revolutionary when they've been extended to North London and I doubt the 1 will be the same. You'll get a couple thousand making use of the new link, but I can't see it happening all the way from Surrey Quays at all. There seems to have been a small-scale trend to combine routes and have fewer buses terminating in Central London, usually North-to-South routes as the distance across the Centre is much smaller than East-to-West. I suspect it is about reducing duplicated mileage in the Centre rather than any tangible passenger benefit. It's just a sensible way of reducing excess mileage although I suspect a few people will find the new link to Camden Town useful.
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