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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2023 16:35:25 GMT
I absolutely cannot see that happening. Granted the 188 has had a slight frequency decrease since it was last at MG, but having buses from the 188 changing drivers in either direction when both stops are back-to-back at Canada Water? It ground the bus station to a halt and I don't foresee that arrangement happening again. The only way live changeovers can happen in that area is likely Surrey Quays Station. Could they not change at North Greenwich then take the 108 back to the garage ? Possibly but drivers would only be able to do one round trip without a break.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 24, 2023 17:25:14 GMT
Why would the 188 changeovers be moved from Waterloo. Both routes are swapping garages yes but already Sign on and off at Waterloo for particular duties. Highly doubt changeovers would be moved to Canada Water. You might get the odd few that changeover at North Greenwich.
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Post by MoEnviro on Jul 24, 2023 17:26:00 GMT
Why would the 188 changeovers be moved from Waterloo. Both routes are swapping garages yes but already Sign on and off at Waterloo for particular duties. Highly doubt changeovers would be moved to Canada Water. You might get the odd few that changeover at North Greenwich. The changeover locations and staffing arrangements will not be changing on either the Route 1 or 188.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 24, 2023 17:27:36 GMT
Why would the 188 changeovers be moved from Waterloo. Both routes are swapping garages yes but already Sign on and off at Waterloo for particular duties. Highly doubt changeovers would be moved to Canada Water. You might get the odd few that changeover at North Greenwich. The changeover locations and staffing arrangements will not be changing on either the Route 1 or 188. This does not surprise me at all I was just simply questioning all the suggestions above. Route 1 could technically have changeovers at Canada Water too which does not happen. So I highly doubt 188 would be scheduled to have reliefs there.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 24, 2023 21:18:36 GMT
The changeover locations and staffing arrangements will not be changing on either the Route 1 or 188. This does not surprise me at all I was just simply questioning all the suggestions above. Route 1 could technically have changeovers at Canada Water too which does not happen. So I highly doubt 188 would be scheduled to have reliefs there. I wonder if Metroline did bid for the route in lieu of loosing the 168.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 24, 2023 22:38:31 GMT
This does not surprise me at all I was just simply questioning all the suggestions above. Route 1 could technically have changeovers at Canada Water too which does not happen. So I highly doubt 188 would be scheduled to have reliefs there. I wonder if Metroline did bid for the route in lieu of loosing the 168. There were 3 bidders so I’d expect it was Go Ahead, Metroline and Abellio.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 25, 2023 8:56:11 GMT
I wonder if Metroline did bid for the route in lieu of loosing the 168. There were 3 bidders so I’d expect it was Go Ahead, Metroline and Abellio. They would be my predictions. I think Stagecoach out of TL would be too far from the line of route. Same with Arriva
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 25, 2023 10:27:32 GMT
This does not surprise me at all I was just simply questioning all the suggestions above. Route 1 could technically have changeovers at Canada Water too which does not happen. So I highly doubt 188 would be scheduled to have reliefs there. I wonder if Metroline did bid for the route in lieu of loosing the 168. Wonder if it was the same regarding the 21 and 271. They could operate the 21 from HT meaning that Metroline would operate deep into non Metroline territory. At the moment the furthest you can go on the 21 and see a Metroline route is Old Kent Road Tesco however due to the removal of the 168 this will soon be London Bridge. Even Holloway only had 1 route operated by GAL before the changes. Chalk Farm and Hampstead will gain a GAL route which strikes me as strange. There is also the question of whether the 1 will be able to run reliably on such a long route . A 1 extension to Camden may have been feasible and extend the 27 to Hampstead
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 25, 2023 10:30:40 GMT
I wonder if Metroline did bid for the route in lieu of loosing the 168. Wonder if it was the same regarding the 21 and 271. They could operate the 21 from HT meaning that Metroline would operate deep into non Metroline territory. At the moment the furthest you can go on the 21 and see a Metroline route is Old Kent Road Tesco however due to the removal of the 168 this will soon be London Bridge. Even Holloway only had 1 route operated by GAL before the changes. Chalk Farm and Hampstead will gain a GAL route which strikes me as strange. There is also the question of whether the 1 will be able to run reliably on such a long route . A 1 extension to Camden may have been feasible and extend the 27 to Hampstead I wouldn’t worry, Go Ahead seem to do rather well on these long cross city routes. The 88 is run pretty well and there don’t seem to be any major issues reported from the streets on the 21 either.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 25, 2023 10:50:15 GMT
I wonder if Metroline did bid for the route in lieu of loosing the 168. Wonder if it was the same regarding the 21 and 271. They could operate the 21 from HT meaning that Metroline would operate deep into non Metroline territory. At the moment the furthest you can go on the 21 and see a Metroline route is Old Kent Road Tesco however due to the removal of the 168 this will soon be London Bridge. Even Holloway only had 1 route operated by GAL before the changes. Chalk Farm and Hampstead will gain a GAL route which strikes me as strange. There is also the question of whether the 1 will be able to run reliably on such a long route . A 1 extension to Camden may have been feasible and extend the 27 to Hampstead No more strange than when GAL operated the 24 and I'm sure the 1 will be operated reliably just as the 21 and 88 are.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 25, 2023 10:58:37 GMT
I wonder if Metroline did bid for the route in lieu of loosing the 168. Wonder if it was the same regarding the 21 and 271. They could operate the 21 from HT meaning that Metroline would operate deep into non Metroline territory. At the moment the furthest you can go on the 21 and see a Metroline route is Old Kent Road Tesco however due to the removal of the 168 this will soon be London Bridge. Even Holloway only had 1 route operated by GAL before the changes. Chalk Farm and Hampstead will gain a GAL route which strikes me as strange. There is also the question of whether the 1 will be able to run reliably on such a long route . A 1 extension to Camden may have been feasible and extend the 27 to Hampstead Based on the journey time given at stops of 42 mins CW to Holborn and 30 mins from there to Hampstead I think 75 mins journey time is manageable. Yes Bricklayers arms/Elephant can play up as can approaches to Euston but I don't think it is any more difficult then the 53 from Plumstead to Lambeth North or Catford to Shoreditch on the 47.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2023 18:01:41 GMT
Wonder if it was the same regarding the 21 and 271. They could operate the 21 from HT meaning that Metroline would operate deep into non Metroline territory. At the moment the furthest you can go on the 21 and see a Metroline route is Old Kent Road Tesco however due to the removal of the 168 this will soon be London Bridge. Even Holloway only had 1 route operated by GAL before the changes. Chalk Farm and Hampstead will gain a GAL route which strikes me as strange. There is also the question of whether the 1 will be able to run reliably on such a long route . A 1 extension to Camden may have been feasible and extend the 27 to Hampstead No more strange than when GAL operated the 24 and I'm sure the 1 will be operated reliably just as the 21 and 88 are. Atleast the 1 won't be as long as it was in 1987.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 29, 2023 18:25:59 GMT
No more strange than when GAL operated the 24 and I'm sure the 1 will be operated reliably just as the 21 and 88 are. Atleast the 1 won't be as long as it was in 1987. Yes and it does make the 1 a bit more high profile, for such a prestigious route number it's lead a rather mundane existence regularly being chopped and changed.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2023 18:32:09 GMT
Atleast the 1 won't be as long as it was in 1987. Yes and it does make the 1 a bit more high profile, for such a prestigious route number it's lead a rather mundane existence regularly being chopped and changed. Yes it's had quite a history really with extensions cut back only to be re extended again.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 29, 2023 18:56:01 GMT
Yes and it does make the 1 a bit more high profile, for such a prestigious route number it's lead a rather mundane existence regularly being chopped and changed. Yes it's had quite a history really with extensions cut back only to be re extended again. This time in the opposite direction into north London.
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