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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 30, 2022 11:45:08 GMT
No. It was under my ownership for a couple of months and I intended to reactivate it and use it as a spare bus given it was PSVAR compliant. However I decided in the end it was one project too many to spend money on, so I sold it. TA23 had PSVAR upgrades instead and did one duty in revenue earning service to cover for a VLA which was at the workshop. What upgrades did TA23 have to get be PVSAR compliant? Additional handrails and bell pushes installed, step edges redone, flooring smoothed out, the required signage placed around the wheelchair and accessible entrance / exit and stanchion relocation and reinforcement. A push test also had to be carried out. The opportunity was also taken to revert the handrails to their original colour.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 30, 2022 13:07:42 GMT
What upgrades did TA23 have to get be PVSAR compliant? Additional handrails and bell pushes installed, step edges redone, flooring smoothed out, the required signage placed around the wheelchair and accessible entrance / exit and stanchion relocation and reinforcement. A push test also had to be carried out. The opportunity was also taken to revert the handrails to their original colour. Can I ask if relatively easy to explain, what changes had to be made to the handrails? Ask as new spec London buses do not have them upstairs and upstairs is not a barrier to visually impairment.
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 30, 2022 19:48:20 GMT
Additional handrails and bell pushes installed, step edges redone, flooring smoothed out, the required signage placed around the wheelchair and accessible entrance / exit and stanchion relocation and reinforcement. A push test also had to be carried out. The opportunity was also taken to revert the handrails to their original colour. Can I ask if relatively easy to explain, what changes had to be made to the handrails? Ask as new spec London buses do not have them upstairs and upstairs is not a barrier to visually impairment. The full list of requirements are listed here - www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2000/1970/schedule/2/made?view=plainThe requirements for handrails are mostly around the accessible entrance of the bus and the wheelchair bay. Upstairs it’s not so much the handrails themselves, but the bell pushes that need to be accessible to a certain standard. Every second row of seats is effectively the minimum standard. Buses like TA23 have various legacy features from LT spec buses one of which was having a grand total of around 3 bell pushes upstairs. One near the front, one by the centre staircase and one near the back. No handrails are required upstairs (except maybe at the front), so buses like TA1, the electrics and open top buses don’t have them. But they do need bells, which will either be in the seatback or sidewall. If the bells are installed in the handrails, like TA23 then more need to be fitted to meet the minimum standard.
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 4, 2022 17:34:20 GMT
Fleet updates 23065 - booked in for MOT prep / ramp repair in very near future. MAL108 - this bus has been delivered to next owner and will not be referred to in future updates. TA23 - stored unserviceable. VLA170 - on hire to another operator. VLA176 - serviceable. Will be fired up in preparation for this weekend's work. It is pencilled in for a speed limit increase and delivery of its power upgrades - this had been delayed because further work needed doing on the ECU which has now been completed. Quite a bit of single deck work coming up so I'll be looking to hire/acquire a spare in the near future. To be consistent it has to be something I like and can work with so am likely to go shopping for a Citaro or a Dennis Dart with an AT545 transmission - something ex London would fit in nicely
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Post by tts on Oct 5, 2022 7:38:10 GMT
Fleet updates 23065 - booked in for MOT prep / ramp repair in very near future. MAL108 - this bus has been delivered to next owner and will not be referred to in future updates. TA23 - stored unserviceable. VLA170 - on hire to another operator. VLA176 - serviceable. Will be fired up in preparation for this weekend's work. It is pencilled in for a speed limit increase and delivery of its power upgrades - this had been delayed because further work needed doing on the ECU which has now been completed. Quite a bit of single deck work coming up so I'll be looking to hire/acquire a spare in the near future. To be consistent it has to be something I like and can work with so am likely to go shopping for a Citaro or a Dennis Dart with an AT545 transmission - something ex London would fit in nicely If you were to go for another Citaro, would you go for another bendy or a 12M one?
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 7, 2022 0:29:21 GMT
If you were to go for another Citaro, would you go for another bendy or a 12M one? I think one bendy bus is more than enough for the time being!
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Post by allentc on Oct 13, 2022 7:09:54 GMT
To be consistent it has to be something I like and can work with so am likely to go shopping for a Citaro or a Dennis Dart with an AT545 transmission - something ex London would fit in nicely And with perfect timing this has popped up for sale:
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 13, 2022 8:46:58 GMT
To be consistent it has to be something I like and can work with so am likely to go shopping for a Citaro or a Dennis Dart with an AT545 transmission - something ex London would fit in nicely And with perfect timing this has popped up for sale: This was £1000 when I was told about it 🤣
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Post by allentc on Oct 13, 2022 14:22:39 GMT
This was £1000 when I was told about it 🤣 I agree, £5k is way over the top. With no MOT it is only really worth scrap value - about what you said - or a tiny bit more to a preservationist due to the recent paint job and sentimentality.
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 13, 2022 18:43:31 GMT
To be consistent it has to be something I like and can work with so am likely to go shopping for a Citaro or a Dennis Dart with an AT545 transmission - something ex London would fit in nicely And with perfect timing this has popped up for sale: Thanks for the link. It’s not for me, but no doubt someone will buy at the asking price!
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 13, 2022 20:48:57 GMT
This was £1000 when I was told about it 🤣 I agree, £5k is way over the top. With no MOT it is only really worth scrap value - about what you said - or a tiny bit more to a preservationist due to the recent paint job and sentimentality.
Paint jobs for buses are very expensive so I'd understand en extra £1-2k but no more than around £3k in total, considering no MOT
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 20, 2022 19:50:24 GMT
Fleet updates from the last couple of weeks 23065 - still in the workshop for MOT prep TA23 - still stored unserviceable with a terminal fault. A decision will be made on how to proceed, but not the top of the priority list at the moment. Some clips of it in better times (not mine!) youtu.be/oqqLGPw0mSE?t=616youtu.be/udUpUOpRV3M?t=26VLA170 - still on hire to another operator VLA176 - its software has been fixed, allowing it to be reconfigured. The Volvo D7C is a 250bhp engine but like most of the London B7TL fleet, the bus was governed down to 215bhp. It has been reverted to the factory setting of 250bhp - and the difference in performance is palpable. The boost pressure gauge is off the clock and it’s now delivering properly in 4th, 5th and 6th. The gear shift programme was also looked at. It upshifts at between 1400 and 2200rpm and shifts down between 1000 and 1500rpm - I was happy with these parameters. A higher performance setting was tried, but all this did was move the minimum upshift point up to 1700rpm and minimum downshift to about 1300rpm. I didn't like this as it was holding the gear when the throttle was eased and the harsher shift downs increase engine braking and make for an uncomfortable ride. The same results can be achieved by pressing the 1 button on the gear selector so I had this removed and the original shift programme reinstated. I enquired about what would happen if the higher numbered programmes were applied. I heard something about kickdown being disabled and 1100rpm upshifts and heard enough by that point. Suffice to say that was not trialled. The next project is to remap the first gear - it is restricted up to 5mph and reluctant to drop into 1st gear, unlike this bus at 1:23 - youtu.be/EfB75LsFqBw?t=81 . However this is separate from the shift programming so will have to be done in the future. In the meantime, it will be be out this weekend on Hounslow - Ascot fast services.
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Post by M1199 on Oct 20, 2022 21:23:10 GMT
That YouTube video of you ragging VW1562 brought back some memories!
Would you consider picking one of these up if the opportunity ever arose?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 20, 2022 22:07:49 GMT
Fleet updates from the last couple of weeks 23065 - still in the workshop for MOT prep TA23 - still stored unserviceable with a terminal fault. A decision will be made on how to proceed, but not the top of the priority list at the moment. Some clips of it in better times (not mine!) youtu.be/oqqLGPw0mSE?t=616youtu.be/udUpUOpRV3M?t=26VLA170 - still on hire to another operator VLA176 - its software has been fixed, allowing it to be reconfigured. The Volvo D7C is a 250bhp engine but like most of the London B7TL fleet, the bus was governed down to 215bhp. It has been reverted to the factory setting of 250bhp - and the difference in performance is palpable. The boost pressure gauge is off the clock and it’s now delivering properly in 4th, 5th and 6th. The gear shift programme was also looked at. It upshifts at between 1400 and 2200rpm and shifts down between 1000 and 1500rpm - I was happy with these parameters. A higher performance setting was tried, but all this did was move the minimum upshift point up to 1700rpm and minimum downshift to about 1300rpm. I didn't like this as it was holding the gear when the throttle was eased and the harsher shift downs increase engine braking and make for an uncomfortable ride. The same results can be achieved by pressing the 1 button on the gear selector so I had this removed and the original shift programme reinstated. I enquired about what would happen if the higher numbered programmes were applied. I heard something about kickdown being disabled and 1100rpm upshifts and heard enough by that point. Suffice to say that was not trialled. The next project is to remap the first gear - it is restricted up to 5mph and reluctant to drop into 1st gear, unlike this bus at 1:23 - youtu.be/EfB75LsFqBw?t=81 . However this is separate from the shift programming so will have to be done in the future. In the meantime, it will be be out this weekend on Hounslow - Ascot fast services. I remember the VLA/VLW had a program to change many of the gas pedal for the new emission remapping around 10 years ago. This was to bring them up to the new euro levels. This also involved changing the gas pedal assembly with different throttle position senors and pedal incorporated a moulded wedge to prevent the pedal going past the position the kickdown would be. This also did not make the buses go past 1700rpm and upshifts were very low. Downside to it, was that it made them slow and sluggish. The standard bus with kickdown pressed would rev up to 2200-2500 rpm, and if it was not pressed it would rev up to 1800 rpm. This after saw some buses get the pedal ground off, so it went into the position of kickdown but no physical button push. This then meant some of them would rev to 3000rpm limit.
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 20, 2022 22:50:33 GMT
I remember the VLA/VLW had a program to change many of the gas pedal for the new emission remapping around 10 years ago. This was to bring them up to the new euro levels. This also involved changing the gas pedal assembly with different throttle position senors and pedal incorporated a moulded wedge to prevent the pedal going past the position the kickdown would be. This also did not make the buses go past 1700rpm and upshifts were very low. Downside to it, was that it made them slow and sluggish. The standard bus with kickdown pressed would rev up to 2200-2500 rpm, and if it was not pressed it would rev up to 1800 rpm. This after saw some buses get the pedal ground off, so it went into the position of kickdown but no physical button push. This then meant some of them would rev to 3000rpm limit. That sounds like a lot of effort to go to when they could have done it by plugging the right software to deactivate the kickdown and reduce the upshift parameters!
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