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Post by greenboy on Mar 29, 2022 13:48:23 GMT
I know you was not replying to me but replying nonetheless. That’s fine about proposing new routes but don’t you think there is an awful lot of very wild fantasy stuff here. How many of the suggested routes here ever come to reality? Not many I bet. There is a very negative view towards anything TfL does here and no matter what is suggested an armchair viewer here will know better than the data as they see a bus on route x at 3pm everyday without even considering any other times. It’s a shame so many members with knowledge and experience have left this forum. I don’t see nowhere near as much fantasy anywhere else online. I’ll await the barrage of complaints at this post. Oh yes - plenty of fantasy and then some - which I will happily point out! Everyone has the right to post what fantasy they like as long as they don’t mind it being criticised. I think the problem I have with cl54’s post is that it is an attempt to shut down discussion, which I really have a problem with on what is a discussion forum. I agree and there are too many people on here trying to shut down discussions. For what it's worth I don't think much will come of this idea of express routes but maybe I'll be wrong? As for all this data that TfL have, well presumably it's the same data that was used when they decided to reduce the service on the N9, something I think everyone will agree has been an unmitigated disaster? |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 29, 2022 13:54:11 GMT
Oh yes - plenty of fantasy and then some - which I will happily point out! Everyone has the right to post what fantasy they like as long as they don’t mind it being criticised. I think the problem I have with cl54’s post is that it is an attempt to shut down discussion, which I really have a problem with on what is a discussion forum. I agree and there are too many people on here trying to shut down discussions. For what it's worth I don't think much will come of this idea of express routes but maybe I'll be wrong? As for all this data that TfL have presumably it's the same data that was used when they decided to reduce the service on the N9, something I think everyone will agree has been an unmitigated disaster? Shock horror you replied! Who would have though ha. Not a case of wanting to shut anything down but I’m sure others would agree things have changed for the worse in terms of fantasy. |
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Post by cl54 on Mar 29, 2022 14:36:54 GMT
I know you was not replying to me but replying nonetheless. That’s fine about proposing new routes but don’t you think there is an awful lot of very wild fantasy stuff here. How many of the suggested routes here ever come to reality? Not many I bet. There is a very negative view towards anything TfL does here and no matter what is suggested an armchair viewer here will know better than the data as they see a bus on route x at 3pm everyday without even considering any other times. It’s a shame so many members with knowledge and experience have left this forum. I don’t see nowhere near as much fantasy anywhere else online. I’ll await the barrage of complaints at this post. Oh yes - plenty of fantasy and then some - which I will happily point out! Everyone has the right to post what fantasy they like as long as they don’t mind it being criticised. I think the problem I have with cl54’s post is that it is an attempt to shut down discussion, which I really have a problem with on what is a discussion forum. It was not an attempt to shut down discussion it was looking for ideas that meet the criteria of new routes. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 29, 2022 15:47:49 GMT
Oh yes - plenty of fantasy and then some - which I will happily point out! Everyone has the right to post what fantasy they like as long as they don’t mind it being criticised. I think the problem I have with cl54’s post is that it is an attempt to shut down discussion, which I really have a problem with on what is a discussion forum. I agree and there are too many people on here trying to shut down discussions. For what it's worth I don't think much will come of this idea of express routes but maybe I'll be wrong? As for all this data that TfL have, well presumably it's the same data that was used when they decided to reduce the service on the N9, something I think everyone will agree has been an unmitigated disaster? Ahh, the self appointed voice of reason spouting his usual nonsense acting as if he is holier than thou, no one is fooled by your recent drop off in postings! If your going to aim digs, at least name me because everyone knows who your referencing 🙄 |
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Post by route53 on Mar 29, 2022 15:59:02 GMT
Got it. You are waiting for the TfL proposals, which you will then totally agree with. By that standard, every single route proposal in every single thread is also pointless. What’s wrong with letting people enjoy themselves proposing new stuff? I know you was not replying to me but replying nonetheless. That’s fine about proposing new routes but don’t you think there is an awful lot of very wild fantasy stuff here. How many of the suggested routes here ever come to reality? Not many I bet. There is a very negative view towards anything TfL does here and no matter what is suggested an armchair viewer here will know better than the data as they see a bus on route x at 3pm everyday without even considering any other times. It’s a shame so many members with knowledge and experience have left this forum. I don’t see nowhere near as much fantasy anywhere else online. I’ll await the barrage of complaints at this post. Nothing or no one is above criticism though, if TfL makes a choice to cut a well used route that will effect passengers it stands to reason people will air their concerns, this isnt about armchair critics, most higher ups at TfL most likely don’t even use the bus. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 29, 2022 16:26:34 GMT
I agree and there are too many people on here trying to shut down discussions. For what it's worth I don't think much will come of this idea of express routes but maybe I'll be wrong? As for all this data that TfL have, well presumably it's the same data that was used when they decided to reduce the service on the N9, something I think everyone will agree has been an unmitigated disaster? Ahh, the self appointed voice of reason spouting his usual nonsense acting as if he is holier than thou, no one is fooled by your recent drop off in postings! If your going to aim digs, at least name me because everyone knows who your referencing 🙄 No it was actually a pop at me via another persons post but not getting dragged into his agenda anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 16:51:59 GMT
It won’t happen because there’s no room for it in London, but the perfect solution would be copying the Fastrack idea.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 29, 2022 16:56:49 GMT
It won’t happen because there’s no room for it in London, but the perfect solution would be copying the Fastrack idea. A Fasttrack-type BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) around the Thames-side areas of East and South-East London could work well, indeed there was a proposal for a Riverside BRT around Greenwich and Bexley. Indeed if TfL and Kent County Council were able to work collaboratively a cross-boundary Fasttrack would be a real boon to to the Thamesmead - Erith - Dartford - Gravesend corridor. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 29, 2022 17:01:02 GMT
It won’t happen because there’s no room for it in London, but the perfect solution would be copying the Fastrack idea. A Fasttrack-type BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) around the Thames-side areas of East and South-East London could work well, indeed there was a proposal for a Riverside BRT around Greenwich and Bexley. Indeed if TfL and Kent County Council were able to work collaboratively a cross-boundary Fasttrack would be a real boon to to the Thamesmead - Erith - Dartford - Gravesend corridor. Yes it was going to be called the Greenwich Waterfront Transit I seem to recall. Not sure the routing but it was going to largely replace the 472. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 29, 2022 17:14:54 GMT
A Fasttrack-type BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) around the Thames-side areas of East and South-East London could work well, indeed there was a proposal for a Riverside BRT around Greenwich and Bexley. Indeed if TfL and Kent County Council were able to work collaboratively a cross-boundary Fasttrack would be a real boon to to the Thamesmead - Erith - Dartford - Gravesend corridor. Yes it was going to be called the Greenwich Waterfront Transit I seem to recall. Not sure the routing but it was going to largely replace the 472. A resurrection of this would be great : routed correctly you could then do away with not only the 472 but also the Belvedere - Erith end of the 180 and possibly much of the northern end of the 301 (north of Abbey Wood) too, |
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Post by route53 on Mar 29, 2022 17:35:01 GMT
Yes it was going to be called the Greenwich Waterfront Transit I seem to recall. Not sure the routing but it was going to largely replace the 472. A resurrection of this would be great : routed correctly you could then do away with not only the 472 but also the Belvedere - Erith end of the 180 and possibly much of the northern end of the 301 (north of Abbey Wood) too, Be careful now you don’t suggest the 180 be cut back from Erith now? :-D but in truth the GWT would be a good scheme to resurrect again and should be considered, SE London needs more rapid transits, didn’t the old proposal include and extension to Greenwich Town centre and Lewisham/Deptford? Perhaps it could be eventually linked to the fast track system in Dartford |
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Post by bus12451 on Mar 29, 2022 17:47:49 GMT
A resurrection of this would be great : routed correctly you could then do away with not only the 472 but also the Belvedere - Erith end of the 180 and possibly much of the northern end of the 301 (north of Abbey Wood) too, Be careful now you don’t suggest the 180 be cut back from Erith now? :-D but in truth the GWT would be a good scheme to resurrect again and should be considered, SE London needs more rapid transits, didn’t the old proposal include and extension to Greenwich Town centre and Lewisham/Deptford? Perhaps it could be eventually linked to the fast track system in Dartford The C2E partnership did propose a Fastrack extension to Abbey Wood a couple of years ago to link in with the Elizabeth Line although I believe this was ruled out earlier on and they eventually decided on "option 1" which I sadly don't see happening anytime soon. www.abbeywood2ebbsfleet.com/index.php?contentid=60www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk/2021/11/01/crossrail-into-kent-bexley-council-decide-on-cheap-option-for-extension-plan/ |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 29, 2022 17:48:18 GMT
A resurrection of this would be great : routed correctly you could then do away with not only the 472 but also the Belvedere - Erith end of the 180 and possibly much of the northern end of the 301 (north of Abbey Wood) too, Be careful now you don’t suggest the 180 be cut back from Erith now? :-D but in truth the GWT would be a good scheme to resurrect again and should be considered, SE London needs more rapid transits, didn’t the old proposal include and extension to Greenwich Town centre and Lewisham/Deptford? Perhaps it could be eventually linked to the fast track system in Dartford Only in this context, route53. Only in this context. 😛😂 |
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Post by route53 on Mar 29, 2022 20:30:01 GMT
Be careful now you don’t suggest the 180 be cut back from Erith now? :-D but in truth the GWT would be a good scheme to resurrect again and should be considered, SE London needs more rapid transits, didn’t the old proposal include and extension to Greenwich Town centre and Lewisham/Deptford? Perhaps it could be eventually linked to the fast track system in Dartford Only in this context, route53. Only in this context. 😛😂 In many contexts twobells, I shan’t give up the 180 fight, I’ll die on this hill 😂😂😂 |
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Post by route53 on Mar 29, 2022 20:33:18 GMT
I wouldn’t be so worried that they won’t revert to a guieded busway system, I seriously doubt CrossRail will be extended this side of 2050, I’m sure they’ve even considered linking Ebbsfleet to the North Kent line so they can extend Dartford services to there, or create an entirely new service. I think a SE London-North Kent bus rapid transit system will be revived in the future in addition one that ran from Greenwich to Gravesend |
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