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Post by ibus246 on Sept 22, 2022 21:55:22 GMT
I reckon it would be well used on the weekend, perhaps with an extra stop in Brixton and a fifteen minute service from 10-3 northbound and 5-8 southbound with a couple of northbound services in the late evening, and as for both directions, maybe you could have that on the weekend, but it wouldn't be used well enough in the week, except for Friday evening. I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is Agree. Cannot abide when I hear that stop X, Y and Z should be added to express routes. The amount of stops that the X26 has been requested to stop at “because it’s passing anyway” over the years is an example. Slowly, you start talking the express element of the route out |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 22, 2022 21:58:01 GMT
I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is Agree. Cannot abide when I hear that stop X, Y and Z should be added to express routes. The amount of stops that the X26 has been requested to stop at “because it’s passing anyway” over the years is an example. Slowly, you start talking the express element of the route out Bit like 'fast' Metropolitan trains stopping at North Harrow, Pinner and two Northwoods. Oh, suddenly they are not fast trains anymore. |
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Post by intro on Sept 22, 2022 22:20:33 GMT
I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is Agree. Cannot abide when I hear that stop X, Y and Z should be added to express routes. The amount of stops that the X26 has been requested to stop at “because it’s passing anyway” over the years is an example. Slowly, you start talking the express element of the route out I dont think I made it clear in my original post, but what I was attempting to say, was that if there was a weekend service, Brixton could be added as a weekend-only stop. |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 23, 2022 0:22:08 GMT
Agree and I reckon an X53 type route from say woolwich to South Kensington or so would work well (selfishly I can do almost end to end for office!) So can start from the 54’s stand - 53 LOR till elephant and castle - the old 53 route till St Thomas - 507 route to Victoria with scope to extend through 11 LOR to Sloane Square - Sloane street - pont street - Brompton road and stand in front of the museums So Whislt to S Kensington would be a bit ambitious, I still think the most likely new X route will involve the 53 to provide a new service down the Old Kent Road as TFL suggested. My guess would be a limited stop version alongside the 53 maybe starting at TSQ then run to PD not via Plumstead Common. It is a bit of a pie in the sky one I must admit (and selfishly allows me to get to my office in one go!!!). I have tried avoiding hotspots to the extent possible but yes it will be a long one |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 23, 2022 1:11:08 GMT
Whislt to S Kensington would be a bit ambitious, I still think the most likely new X route will involve the 53 to provide a new service down the Old Kent Road as TFL suggested. My guess would be a limited stop version alongside the 53 maybe starting at TSQ then run to PD not via Plumstead Common. It is a bit of a pie in the sky one I must admit (and selfishly allows me to get to my office in one go!!!). I have tried avoiding hotspots to the extent possible but yes it will be a long one I think that's the issue with any express/limited stop routes that don't traverse along less congested corridors and operate in Inner London (X68 has the luxury of avoiding the problematic part of the A23 whilst the corridor from West Norwood onwards isn't the worst to traverse) as well as providing niches that don't exists like the X26, X68 & X140 serving areas or particular places that has no direct rail or tube links to & from. The 53 does follow loosely Southeastern from Deptford onwards which is why I thought it was an odd one to choose by TfL over more orbital links instead but if enough adequate priority is implemented, then that could change my mind on the idea. I'm quite surprised TfL have not decided to trial a new express route in Outer London which should be easier to manage & implement. |
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Post by rift on Sept 23, 2022 2:41:02 GMT
I reckon it would be well used on the weekend, perhaps with an extra stop in Brixton and a fifteen minute service from 10-3 northbound and 5-8 southbound with a couple of northbound services in the late evening, and as for both directions, maybe you could have that on the weekend, but it wouldn't be used well enough in the week, except for Friday evening. I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is Unrelated but is the X68 still allowed to run through Camberwell? I haven’t heard of a trip doing this routing for some time. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 23, 2022 11:35:05 GMT
I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is Unrelated but is the X68 still allowed to run through Camberwell? I haven’t heard of a trip doing this routing for some time. Not sure but it doesn’t make sense to when traversing via Brixton is generally more easier |
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 23, 2022 13:31:23 GMT
As I said on another thread, a simple but incredibly necessary idea is to double the frequency of the X26 from 2bph to 4bph. I can't remember the last time I've used the route where it hasn't been incredibly overcrowded (except for once at about 11:30pm).
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Post by ibus246 on Sept 23, 2022 16:05:21 GMT
As I said on another thread, a simple but incredibly necessary idea is to double the frequency of the X26 from 2bph to 4bph. I can't remember the last time I've used the route where it hasn't been incredibly overcrowded (except for once at about 11:30pm). Simple but incredibly expensive |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 23, 2022 16:12:54 GMT
As I said on another thread, a simple but incredibly necessary idea is to double the frequency of the X26 from 2bph to 4bph. I can't remember the last time I've used the route where it hasn't been incredibly overcrowded (except for once at about 11:30pm). Simple but incredibly expensive There is demand for 4bph and a night service on the x26. Even in the middle of the day it can be incredibly busy. So expensive but the demand is there. I remember back when it was 1bph and the demand only grew with 2bph so it would grow further with 4bph. |
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Post by Unorm on Sept 23, 2022 17:37:32 GMT
I personally don’t think the X68 should be tampered with - whilst it has recovered unlike a certain person kept claiming on here, I don’t think it warrants a frequency increase or extra stops especially one down here in Brixton. The 196 isn’t overloaded enough to justify the extra stop in Brixton whilst most people from Upper Norwood getting off at Brixton may end up making the X68 less warranted north of Brixton due to the speed and frequency of the Victoria Line which in turn puts further pressure on that. Maybe add an extra journey or two in both peaks but otherwise I’d personally leave it as it is Unrelated but is the X68 still allowed to run through Camberwell? I haven’t heard of a trip doing this routing for some time. They do run through Camberwell usually when there's an accident along the Brixton route or a road closure (a la Norwood Road some years ago) if it's noticeably more convenient (and/or much quicker) to avoid Brixton. |
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Post by ibus246 on Sept 23, 2022 19:17:34 GMT
Simple but incredibly expensive There is demand for 4bph and a night service on the x26. Even in the middle of the day it can be incredibly busy. So expensive but the demand is there. I remember back when it was 1bph and the demand only grew with 2bph so it would grow further with 4bph. Demand on every single trip to the point that there are currently trips leaving people behind? You literally double the cost of the route overnight - when you do the sums, I can categorically tell you that you will not be able to put a successful business case. I used to regularly (years ago) use the last X26 from Kingston back to Croydon and it was very quiet - the 285 covers the other part already near enough. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 23, 2022 19:56:46 GMT
There is demand for 4bph and a night service on the x26. Even in the middle of the day it can be incredibly busy. So expensive but the demand is there. I remember back when it was 1bph and the demand only grew with 2bph so it would grow further with 4bph. Demand on every single trip to the point that there are currently trips leaving people behind? You literally double the cost of the route overnight - when you do the sums, I can categorically tell you that you will not be able to put a successful business case. I used to regularly (years ago) use the last X26 from Kingston back to Croydon and it was very quiet - the 285 covers the other part already near enough. It’s not at that point but it is very busy. When they implemented the change to 2bph it wasn’t an immediate overnight increase but during the QL tenure it got much busier to the point where it converted to DD under GAL. It carried 1.8m passengers in 2019/20, which is more than a lot of regular stopping services. That was more than half of what the 285 carried and around 40% of what the 213 did that year, both are major comparison routes. Personally I think the cost is worth it because with the x26 if it’s there people will use it. The x26 has been a success story and if not 4bph than a minimum 3bph would be suitable first. |
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 23, 2022 20:09:48 GMT
Demand on every single trip to the point that there are currently trips leaving people behind? You literally double the cost of the route overnight - when you do the sums, I can categorically tell you that you will not be able to put a successful business case. I used to regularly (years ago) use the last X26 from Kingston back to Croydon and it was very quiet - the 285 covers the other part already near enough. Yes I can tell you from personal experience I have been left behind many times, and have also stood for over an hour on crush loaded buses multiple times. I have also seen wheelchair users left behind due to overcrowding and the use of single doored buses blocking their entry. The last X26 from Kingston is at 1:03am, obviously its not going to be that busy at that time. Late evenings can probably stay at 2bph, but from about 6am - 10pm, 4bph is definitely necessary, and I would even say a priority for TfL that is basically guaranteed to be successful. |
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Post by ibus246 on Sept 23, 2022 20:41:35 GMT
Demand on every single trip to the point that there are currently trips leaving people behind? You literally double the cost of the route overnight - when you do the sums, I can categorically tell you that you will not be able to put a successful business case. I used to regularly (years ago) use the last X26 from Kingston back to Croydon and it was very quiet - the 285 covers the other part already near enough. It’s not at that point but it is very busy. When they implemented the change to 2bph it wasn’t an immediate overnight increase but during the QL tenure it got much busier to the point where it converted to DD under GAL. It carried 1.8m passengers in 2019/20, which is more than a lot of regular stopping services. That was more than half of what the 285 carried and around 40% of what the 213 did that year, both are major comparison routes. Personally I think the cost is worth it because with the x26 if it’s there people will use it. The x26 has been a success story and if not 4bph than a minimum 3bph would be suitable first. Ok and you’d be willing to pay a premium to travel on it? |
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