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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 22, 2022 18:41:32 GMT
Just out of interest, why do the 53 and 363 ride the Bricklayers Arms flyover and none of the other routes doing the same routing between Elephant and New Cross
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 22, 2022 18:41:54 GMT
I did say loosely in all fairness I know that I was just adding my thoughts đ The 177 is a direct parallel to the Woolwich line from Deptford to Abbey Wood stop for stop pretty much. Probably why despite us all be sceptical, the 177 has coped alone without the 180. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 22, 2022 19:14:41 GMT
Just out of interest, why do the 53 and 363 ride the Bricklayers Arms flyover and none of the other routes doing the same routing between Elephant and New Cross You can still get to the skipped stops on the 63 and 453. |
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Post by route53 on Nov 22, 2022 23:19:43 GMT
I know that I was just adding my thoughts đ The 177 is a direct parallel to the Woolwich line from Deptford to Abbey Wood stop for stop pretty much. Probably why despite us all be sceptical, the 177 has coped alone without the 180. People have switched to the train because the link has been broken, now that Southeastern are reducing the trains running via Greenwich and Lewisham I imagine the 177 will be the one taking up the extra loadings going forward from December to cover that corridor |
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Post by route53 on Nov 22, 2022 23:30:17 GMT
Just out of interest, why do the 53 and 363 ride the Bricklayers Arms flyover and none of the other routes doing the same routing between Elephant and New Cross The 53 & 363 use the flyover because theyâre the longer distance routes to Plumstead & Crystal Palace respectively and therefore it saves passengers a good two to four minutes if thereâs congestion by the roundabout which the 63 & 453 routes take. Itâs also a good way to siphon off longer distance travellers from passengers only going as far as Deptford, New Cross and Honor Oak, though this doesnât always work, particularly with the 53/453 situation where Iâve often seen people crowd onto a 53 due to the fact that itâs âsemi expressâ and let the 453 go meaning sometimes the 453 beats the 53 to OKR Tescos 𤣠|
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Post by greenboy on Nov 23, 2022 6:24:10 GMT
Probably why despite us all be sceptical, the 177 has coped alone without the 180. People have switched to the train because the link has been broken, now that Southeastern are reducing the trains running via Greenwich and Lewisham I imagine the 177 will be the one taking up the extra loadings going forward from December to cover that corridor Train services are not being reduced. |
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Post by route53 on Nov 23, 2022 7:17:56 GMT
People have switched to the train because the link has been broken, now that Southeastern are reducing the trains running via Greenwich and Lewisham I imagine the 177 will be the one taking up the extra loadings going forward from December to cover that corridor Train services are not being reduced. Well in the new timetable on the Greenwich branch, morning peak times trains will be down from 13 to 8, and with uneven gaps between 7 and 23 mins off peak, nearly a half hour wait between trains on a busy metro route, not to mention Thameslink isnât the most reliable of services, not to mention the line had 6tph⌠any I took this off topic so letâs end this now since you know my thoughtâs already on the new timetable |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 23, 2022 7:55:55 GMT
Train services are not being reduced. Well in the new timetable on the Greenwich branch, morning peak times trains will be down from 13 to 8, and with uneven gaps between 7 and 23 mins off peak, nearly a half hour wait between trains on a busy metro route, not to mention Thameslink isnât the most reliable of services, not to mention the line had 6tph⌠any I took this off topic so letâs end this now since you know my thoughtâs already on the new timetable Yes there will be peak hour reductions in line with the reduced demand but the basic level of service throughout the day will remain the same so I wouldn't envisage any significant changes to 177 usage. |
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Post by ronnie on Nov 23, 2022 9:53:46 GMT
Just out of interest, why do the 53 and 363 ride the Bricklayers Arms flyover and none of the other routes doing the same routing between Elephant and New Cross The 53 & 363 use the flyover because theyâre the longer distance routes to Plumstead & Crystal Palace respectively and therefore it saves passengers a good two to four minutes if thereâs congestion by the roundabout which the 63 & 453 routes take. Itâs also a good way to siphon off longer distance travellers from passengers only going as far as Deptford, New Cross and Honor Oak, though this doesnât always work, particularly with the 53/453 situation where Iâve often seen people crowd onto a 53 due to the fact that itâs âsemi expressâ and let the 453 go meaning sometimes the 453 beats the 53 to OKR Tescos 𤣠The one missed opportunity was to have sent the 25 over the bow flyover. Would have worked well |
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Post by route53 on Nov 23, 2022 12:32:15 GMT
The 53 & 363 use the flyover because theyâre the longer distance routes to Plumstead & Crystal Palace respectively and therefore it saves passengers a good two to four minutes if thereâs congestion by the roundabout which the 63 & 453 routes take. Itâs also a good way to siphon off longer distance travellers from passengers only going as far as Deptford, New Cross and Honor Oak, though this doesnât always work, particularly with the 53/453 situation where Iâve often seen people crowd onto a 53 due to the fact that itâs âsemi expressâ and let the 453 go meaning sometimes the 453 beats the 53 to OKR Tescos 𤣠The one missed opportunity was to have sent the 25 over the bow flyover. Would have worked well Yes I recall this being a proposal a few years back and wasnât there a petition going around wanting this to happen? |
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Post by Unorm on Nov 23, 2022 14:58:54 GMT
The one missed opportunity was to have sent the 25 over the bow flyover. Would have worked well Yes I recall this being a proposal a few years back and wasnât there a petition going around wanting this to happen? I don't know about petition but I do remember the result of the consultation being negative, if I'm not mistaken in the 70% range, so 25 over the flyover didn't go ahead. Perhaps it would've had a less harsh response if 425 already went to Ilford at the time. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 23, 2022 17:27:29 GMT
Yes I recall this being a proposal a few years back and wasnât there a petition going around wanting this to happen? I don't know about petition but I do remember the result of the consultation being negative, if I'm not mistaken in the 70% range, so 25 over the flyover didn't go ahead. Perhaps it would've had a less harsh response if 425 already went to Ilford at the time. Personally have the 25 over the fly over and only the 425 diverting via Stratford Bus Station southbound to speed up longer distance passengers. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 24, 2022 0:35:33 GMT
X12: running between Shepherd's Bush and Dulwich,
Via: route 148 to Camberewell Green and route 12 to Dulwich.
Purpose: Inspired by TfL's proposal to extend the 148 to Dulwich. It will also help out the 148.
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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 24, 2022 8:40:23 GMT
X12: running between Shepherd's Bush and Dulwich, Via: route 148 to Camberewell Green and route 12 to Dulwich. Purpose: Inspired by TfL's proposal to extend the 148 to Dulwich. It will also help out the 148. It's definitely better than withdrawing the 12 but I don't think its needed |
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Post by COBO on Nov 24, 2022 21:13:59 GMT
X12: running between Shepherd's Bush and Dulwich, Via: route 148 to Camberewell Green and route 12 to Dulwich. Purpose: Inspired by TfL's proposal to extend the 148 to Dulwich. It will also help out the 148. It's definitely better than withdrawing the 12 but I don't think its needed I think that it might be needed as it will helpful between Peckham and Shepherds Bush. |
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