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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 28, 2023 10:51:00 GMT
It’s also by definition should be considered limited stop and not express. it is still not a stopping service though Still not express though. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 28, 2023 10:51:22 GMT
it is still not a stopping service though Still not express though. What's the difference? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 28, 2023 10:55:26 GMT
Still not express though. What's the difference? An express services stops at key places picking them up and taking across long distances without stopping. A limited stop service just skips out a few stops in between. The 607 is a classic limited stop. If it was express it wouldn’t stop every few stops. It would go Shepherds Bush, no stop until Acton High Street, then nothing until Ealing, nothing until Southall and then nothing until Uxbridge. But it stops at quite a few additional stops in between. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 28, 2023 11:17:45 GMT
I will guess I’m in a minority of one here, but I like that livery, looks very smart. I also don’t get at all why so many of you here have already dismissed the concept as poor/won’t work, or worse, turned it all political. I would state my opinion further, but it’s likely to cause a lot of arguments, so I’ll keep it to myself. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 28, 2023 11:22:38 GMT
I will guess I’m in a minority of one here, but I like that livery, looks very smart. I also don’t get at all why so many of you here have already dismissed the concept as poor/won’t work, or worse, turned it all political. I would state my opinion further, but it’s likely to cause a lot of arguments, so I’ll keep it to myself. I've no strong feelings either way about the livery but this whole superloop concept sounds like pie in the sky to me although I'll be happy to be proven wrong. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 28, 2023 11:22:43 GMT
I will guess I’m in a minority of one here, but I like that livery, looks very smart. I also don’t get at all why so many of you here have already dismissed the concept as poor/won’t work, or worse, turned it all political. I would state my opinion further, but it’s likely to cause a lot of arguments, so I’ll keep it to myself. I personally dismissed the idea as express or no there is still going to be congestion. I think the whole concept is being sold as speedy journeys and the reality is going to be very different. Can’t see how these services are going to generate a huge amount of extra revenue either. Time will tell. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 28, 2023 11:27:21 GMT
I will guess I’m in a minority of one here, but I like that livery, looks very smart. I also don’t get at all why so many of you here have already dismissed the concept as poor/won’t work, or worse, turned it all political. I would state my opinion further, but it’s likely to cause a lot of arguments, so I’ll keep it to myself. I personally dismissed the idea as express or no there is still going to be congestion. I think the whole concept is being sold as speedy journeys and the reality is going to be very different. Can’t see how these services are going to generate a huge amount of extra revenue either. Time will tell. I think they may have to either make dedicated new bus lanes or existing ones that has a specific time attached to it changed to at all times. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 28, 2023 11:31:28 GMT
TfL has a long standing habit of saying one thing and doing another. I’ll remain cautious of their antics until they actually happen. I don’t trust Kahn and see this is as nothing more than a way to grab votes in the outer boroughs. After all this is something TfL has been trying to do since the days of Livingstone with only one new express route and even then it was a result of hacking away another, albeit very long, route. If idiot Khan thinks this will win him votes in Outer London he is even more deluded than we thought possible. I envisage really high voter turnout next time, with ‘nul points’ going to Khan. I do not think it is an aim at getting votes but saying it is his answer to solving the ULEZ for outer boroughs. My main concern over the whole ULEZ fiasco it is not the outer London boroughs, but the surrounding counties that are not in Greater London, which has pee poor transport and then links to get in to London for anything is near zero unless you travel by car. Places like Ongar, Abridge has no rail or bus connections into London. It is just creating more division for something not going to solve f##k all |
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Post by Paul on Mar 28, 2023 11:38:50 GMT
I will guess I’m in a minority of one here, but I like that livery, looks very smart. I also don’t get at all why so many of you here have already dismissed the concept as poor/won’t work, or worse, turned it all political. I would state my opinion further, but it’s likely to cause a lot of arguments, so I’ll keep it to myself. I’m with you here. The livery looks ok to me - does what it says on the tin and as for the concept I think the idea is sound. There’s not much of it I can comment on as I’m not familiar with 75% of it but I’m my little corner of London the general idea is good and I’m quite sure it’s not an accident that it resembles the old section of the 726. Yes, I get the theory that traffic could be an issue but careful routing should negate that aspect in the SE corner anyway The whole ‘SuperLoop’ branding seems a little gimmicky but I see the attraction. I do think it would be worth looking at maintaining a ‘Loop’ but having the individual routes branch off towards the ends so, for example, the SE one dips down to Dartford, Bluewater or Ebbsfleet I greet this proposal with cautious optimism. I’ve no doubt there will be changes between now and when (if?) it gets implemented but on paper it seems like it should work On a related ULEZ note, I do wonder if cross border routes will be looked at? Although there is heavy resistance to it, it’s likely Khan will find a way to force it through and you’d like to think that routes such as the 246 might find themselves being improved. An extra three buses or so and a move to every 20 minutes would vastly improve the service we are able to currently offer on a route that is definitely getting busier |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 28, 2023 11:39:00 GMT
I will guess I’m in a minority of one here, but I like that livery, looks very smart. I also don’t get at all why so many of you here have already dismissed the concept as poor/won’t work, or worse, turned it all political. I would state my opinion further, but it’s likely to cause a lot of arguments, so I’ll keep it to myself. Maybe because many of use see it as four bells to stop as in it would be going nowhere, they have killed many routes as it is |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 28, 2023 11:50:55 GMT
Exactly a scheme we need! I did suggest in the past a new express route along the North Circular running from Brent Cross to Edmonton/Walthamstow. I like the North Finchley to Walthamstow one, certainly takes pressure off the 34. Problem is no stand space at North Finchley. Also takes pressure off other busy routes such as the 123. It would depend on the routing. It shows that it goes Edmonton with the Overground and hospital so I take it that is Angel Corner/Silver St. Then Walthamstow Central to Ilford. For much of the day, especially the peaks it would struggle to surpass a standard 34 or 123, purely because TfL, local councils have screwed up the road network. The 34 has been very difficult to run over the past few years, this is down to constant roadworks, then thrown in the amount of games or events at Tottenham Hotspur stadium, overnight closures for roadworks on the A406, rtc's, cycle works, LTN's in Walthamstow, Bounds Green etc. They have crippled the route to make any decent results. A lot of buses are being turned to attempt to salvage the service. The 123 has feared better, but still crap down to 20mph on a major road like Forest Rd, many side road closed leaving the main road solid. Buses difficult to regulate due to cycle lanes wide like the M25 and pavements as wide as the Panama canal. For a route to double run coming out of Walthamstow to Ilford, I guess it may be in a similar way to the previous 251, or go via the limited express service route 2 (Walthamstow - Southend) which was in the late 80's. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 28, 2023 11:54:36 GMT
I find this article so funny as well. How can an express be a Superloop when most of London is now 20 MPH  When I see this posted elsewhere I thought it was a April the 1st joke released early! Good luck to them trying to run a service using the A406 in east London! This is my personal opinion but think it it’s a waste of money and more awful branding. Why can’t TfL concentrate on getting the basics right like sorting out over regulation of services. Well said, they have Truly Fu##ed London up and expect people to jump on bus services to sit in traffic going nowhere. There is a hell of a lot wrong with the basics and in some area's I cannot see much advantage in timing over a standard service. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 28, 2023 11:57:51 GMT
How was a express bus serve Ilford ? Would it leave the A406 sit in gridlock traffic double run and then head back into the A406 after sitting in more traffic! Well unless it comes off the A406 at Redbridge, which also has a hell of a lot of traffic to exit, it is pointless. I can only see it doing similar to the old 251 route. If it utilises the A406 into Ilford, then during the peaks you may as well forget it. That cheap design exit slip roads of Ilford is useless, a bad idea; traffic gridlock and time expired. It really needs a sensible slip road exit utilising the land over the railway line. |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 28, 2023 12:06:48 GMT
I need confirmation that this isn't Peter robbing Paul for express routes. The south-east areas look a lot like they're just advertising the 119 and 269. Then there's also the fact the X239 will connect with no other express route, which I assume passengers would ask for after looking at the map with the questionable colour scheme.
The devil's definitely in the detail, and if TfL want to display the 607 stopping at Hayes & Harlington Station when it's a good kilometer from The Grapes, then I'm not sold until I see the specifics.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 28, 2023 12:16:29 GMT
I don't mind the livery, it's a bit 1970s-era National Bus Company dual-purpose to my eye, but it does stand out as something different yet still recognisably a London red bus. And the roundel, the iconic symbol of transport in London, has been incorporated cleverly.
As for the name, something like "ARC" or "ORBITS" might have been a bit more snappy, and also avoided any adverse comment about the routes not actually forming a complete loop. However Superloop is what it is, so I'm happy to get behind it. The success of the X140 shows that the concept can work and deliver results, and it is good to see something happening with London's buses that is trying to break away from the cycle of managed decline.
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