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Post by cl54 on Mar 30, 2023 19:32:56 GMT
I think the Express description is totally wrong. They are limited stop services.
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 30, 2023 19:55:17 GMT
Would the A10 be considered express, I'd say probably semi express. It could do with removing some stops, perhaps removing all stops between Uxbridge station and Harlington Road bar The Greenway as all other routes go to Uxbridge.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2023 23:16:06 GMT
I think the Express description is totally wrong. They are limited stop services. The 607 is curently the only true limited stopping route IMO - the X26 & X68 are express services in different forms - X68 has one giant express section and the X26 only stops at small selection of stops unlike the 607 which stops at many stops along the journey. The X140 is probably more like the X26. We do not know what service type the new routes are so we can't say for sure what they are until the consultations begin. They could be a mix of express and limited stopping routes depending on the corridor they serve and how they interact with existing routes. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 31, 2023 8:05:23 GMT
I think the Express description is totally wrong. They are limited stop services. The 607 is curently the only true limited stopping route IMO - the X26 & X68 are express services in different forms - X68 has one giant express section and the X26 only stops at small selection of stops unlike the 607 which stops at many stops along the journey. The X140 is probably more like the X26. We do not know what service type the new routes are so we can't say for sure what they are until the consultations begin. They could be a mix of express and limited stopping routes depending on the corridor they serve and how they interact with existing routes. So if the X68 only stopped at the main stops ie Whitehorse Road, Thornton Heath High Street, Upper Norwood All Saints Church, Crown Point I'm guessing that would be classed as a limited stop route rather then Express? |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 31, 2023 8:26:55 GMT
By "strategic interchange", I mean a location well-placed for people to make onward connections (in this case by other bus services). A number of terminating and through services already meet there. Not all journeys can be catered for with direct services and convenient interchange widens the number of journey possibilities, which is why interchanges are important. If somewhere already has a lot of bus routes, it doesn't really need any more, does it? No one is going to get on a bus say from Barnet to North Finchley then change for a bus to Harrow via... Hendon? Would take hours. No one is going to get a bus from Enfield to Edmonton to go to Ilford via... Walthamstow? None of this makes any sense. Not to you perhaps, but if you leave aside the more extreme examples you have come up with and look at the sorts of journeys passengers are actually likely to make it does start to make sense. Maybe someone using the 263 from East Finchley or the 221 from Cissbury Ring to connect into one of the express buses. TfL's own figures show that around 40% of passengers on the X140 also use another bus as part of their journey, yet the X140 scores high passenger satisfaction levels. Perhaps changing buses - particularly where the routes are high-frequency and the interchanges are good - is not always the disincentive to travel that we like to think it is. |
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Post by uakari on Mar 31, 2023 9:16:53 GMT
If somewhere already has a lot of bus routes, it doesn't really need any more, does it? No one is going to get on a bus say from Barnet to North Finchley then change for a bus to Harrow via... Hendon? Would take hours. No one is going to get a bus from Enfield to Edmonton to go to Ilford via... Walthamstow? None of this makes any sense. Not to you perhaps, but if you leave aside the more extreme examples you have come up with and look at the sorts of journeys passengers are actually likely to make it does start to make sense. Maybe someone using the 263 from East Finchley or the 221 from Cissbury Ring to connect into one of the express buses. TfL's own figures show that around 40% of passengers on the X140 also use another bus as part of their journey, yet the X140 scores high passenger satisfaction levels. Perhaps changing buses - particularly where the routes are high-frequency and the interchanges are good - is not always the disincentive to travel that we like to think it is. Cissbury Ring 😆 Leaving that aside, it's not outer London, it's zones 3 and 4 between Harrow and 'Royal Docks' (another estate agent name). |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 31, 2023 9:30:43 GMT
Not to you perhaps, but if you leave aside the more extreme examples you have come up with and look at the sorts of journeys passengers are actually likely to make it does start to make sense. Maybe someone using the 263 from East Finchley or the 221 from Cissbury Ring to connect into one of the express buses. TfL's own figures show that around 40% of passengers on the X140 also use another bus as part of their journey, yet the X140 scores high passenger satisfaction levels. Perhaps changing buses - particularly where the routes are high-frequency and the interchanges are good - is not always the disincentive to travel that we like to think it is. Cissbury Ring 😆 Leaving that aside, it's not outer London, it's zones 3 and 4 between Harrow and 'Royal Docks' (another estate agent name). Royal Docks is not another estate again name! The area has always been known as that and I have lived in that part of London since 1990 long before the apartments were built. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 31, 2023 9:45:08 GMT
Not to you perhaps, but if you leave aside the more extreme examples you have come up with and look at the sorts of journeys passengers are actually likely to make it does start to make sense. Maybe someone using the 263 from East Finchley or the 221 from Cissbury Ring to connect into one of the express buses. TfL's own figures show that around 40% of passengers on the X140 also use another bus as part of their journey, yet the X140 scores high passenger satisfaction levels. Perhaps changing buses - particularly where the routes are high-frequency and the interchanges are good - is not always the disincentive to travel that we like to think it is. Cissbury Ring 😆 Leaving that aside, it's not outer London, it's zones 3 and 4 between Harrow and 'Royal Docks' (another estate agent name). Not sure of the point you are making here - the Cissbury Ring I am referring to is a bus stop on the 221 route and a side road that (I would guess) was built in in the 1930s. |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 31, 2023 9:52:03 GMT
I think bus hubs (pleasant ones) which have good amenities etc are always helpful. North Finchley from memory isn’t my go to place for exchanging buses (my wife would certainly give me a hard time if I made her change buses at North Finchley and if the wait was any longer than 5 min!)
North Greenwich on the other hand is much more pleasant (as an example) - I have my share of complaints but overall a sprinkling of coffee shops, toilets and most importantly a couple of countdown boards is very helpful. A lower marsh type environment doesn’t encourage bus travel
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Post by greenboy on Mar 31, 2023 10:06:05 GMT
I think bus hubs (pleasant ones) which have good amenities etc are always helpful. North Finchley from memory isn’t my go to place for exchanging buses (my wife would certainly give me a hard time if I made her change buses at North Finchley and if the wait was any longer than 5 min!) North Greenwich on the other hand is much more pleasant (as an example) - I have my share of complaints but overall a sprinkling of coffee shops, toilets and most importantly a couple of countdown boards is very helpful. A lower marsh type environment doesn’t encourage bus travel Hammersmith is another ideal one. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 31, 2023 14:14:04 GMT
Iv just seen an article on the my London page that there are no plans for an express route down the Old Kent Road as there is enough capacity according to TFL.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 31, 2023 15:33:00 GMT
Iv just seen an article on the my London page that there are no plans for an express route down the Old Kent Road as there is enough capacity according to TFL. I can’t say I'm surprised, another bright idea that came to nothing? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 31, 2023 15:53:10 GMT
Iv just seen an article on the my London page that there are no plans for an express route down the Old Kent Road as there is enough capacity according to TFL. I can’t say I'm surprised, another bright idea that came to nothing? Definitely something along the 53 route would have been good with say 3 stops on the Old Kent Road to speed up journeys to Elephant and the west end in lieu of no tube line. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 31, 2023 17:32:46 GMT
I can’t say I'm surprised, another bright idea that came to nothing? Definitely something along the 53 route would have been good with say 3 stops on the Old Kent Road to speed up journeys to Elephant and the west end in lieu of no tube line. Oxford Circus to Lewisham as a prelude to the Bakerloo Line extension, if indeed it's ever going to happen? Always seemed unlikely though and the 453 would have probably had a reduction if it did happen. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 31, 2023 22:17:37 GMT
I can’t say I'm surprised, another bright idea that came to nothing? Definitely something along the 53 route would have been good with say 3 stops on the Old Kent Road to speed up journeys to Elephant and the west end in lieu of no tube line. It would only be good if the relevant infrastructure was put in to speed the buses up |
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