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Post by snowman on Mar 14, 2022 13:53:33 GMT
I think an X25 could be quite handy, perhaps running from Stratford to Oxford Circus as a limited stop service Perhaps also an X15 from Central London to Canning Town and then via the A13 to Beckton or Barking There used to be a X15, ran from Beckton to Trafalgar Square, ran for about 6 years until Beckton extension to DLR opened in 1995 There was a handful of X routes, all started around 1988-91, but most only lasted a few years. X15 from Becton- Trafalgar Square 1989-95 (until DLR extended) X26 Croydon-Heathrow, a shortened former London country bus route 726 which ran Gravesend-Windsor X30 from New Addington to Croydon (express part of route 130) from 1987 until it became T3 pending tram link X43 from Finchley to London Bridge 1992-1998 53X from Plumstead to Oxford Circus 1988-92 X68 from West Croydon to Russel Square, still runs peak hours X71 from Hook to Ham, 1988-91 X72 from Thamesmead to Woolwich 1994-1998 What I can’t work out from TfL document is if they couldn’t get them to work 30 years ago, what has changed that they now think good idea to try again. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 14, 2022 14:00:48 GMT
I do wonder if people are getting a bit carried away about express routes and maybe taken the press release wrong. TfL might have plans for one or two but probably not a whole network or on every busy corridor.
The problem with express routes is the traffic conditions you only have to look at rail replacement services and how painfully slow they can be only stopping at stations. I have used a rail replacement along the Romford road before and it was so slow!
If I had a choice of express routes or ore frequent all stops buses I’d choose the latter. I just wish TfL would focus on getting its core buses right.
Sorry to be negative and this is just me thinking out loud.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 14, 2022 16:44:34 GMT
I think an X25 could be quite handy, perhaps running from Stratford to Oxford Circus as a limited stop service Perhaps also an X15 from Central London to Canning Town and then via the A13 to Beckton or Barking There used to be a X15, ran from Beckton to Trafalgar Square, ran for about 6 years until Beckton extension to DLR opened in 1995 There was a handful of X routes, all started around 1988-91, but most only lasted a few years. X15 from Becton- Trafalgar Square 1989-95 (until DLR extended) X26 Croydon-Heathrow, a shortened former London country bus route 726 which ran Gravesend-Windsor X30 from New Addington to Croydon (express part of route 130) from 1987 until it became T3 pending tram link X43 from Finchley to London Bridge 1992-1998 53X from Plumstead to Oxford Circus 1988-92 X68 from West Croydon to Russel Square, still runs peak hours X71 from Hook to Ham, 1988-91 X72 from Thamesmead to Woolwich 1994-1998 What I can’t work out from TfL document is if they couldn’t get them to work 30 years ago, what has changed that they now think good idea to try again. I think all TfL said was something along the lines of considering express services and I think some people have got a bit carried away. I could possibly see a Oxford Circus to Lewisham express until the Bakerloo Line extension happens but I really can't see scope for much else in the current climate. There was also a 174 Express from Romford to Harold Hill, I think it had been reduced to Saturday only before being withdrawn completely. Also a peak hour 403 Express in LCBS days between Croydon and Warlingham. Just to clarify the T3 that replaced the X30 was the tram service. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 14, 2022 17:42:01 GMT
Seems to be a echo above  |
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Post by ianhardy on Mar 14, 2022 21:35:48 GMT
The document states that express services would:
Provide new or enhanced connectivity
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Not overlap rail links
Therefore most of the suggestions above don't meet those requirements.
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Post by aaron1 on Mar 14, 2022 22:36:43 GMT
The document states that express services would: Provide new or enhanced connectivity & Not overlap rail links Therefore most of the suggestions above don't meet those requirements. Well that why a X16 would work from Edgware to Victoria also be good for a X266 from Brent Cross to Hammersmith Like a X266 stop called at Cricklewood Bus Garage Cricklewood Brodway Willesden Green Station Wilesden Bus Garage Haslden Jubliee Clock Willesden Junction North Action Action High Street Action Central Station Action Mainline Station This would take the load of the 260 266 and 460 and bring back the Willesden to Hammersmith Link |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Mar 14, 2022 23:00:48 GMT
I think an X25 could be quite handy, perhaps running from Stratford to Oxford Circus as a limited stop service Perhaps also an X15 from Central London to Canning Town and then via the A13 to Beckton or Barking There used to be a X15, ran from Beckton to Trafalgar Square, ran for about 6 years until Beckton extension to DLR opened in 1995 There was a handful of X routes, all started around 1988-91, but most only lasted a few years. X15 from Becton- Trafalgar Square 1989-95 (until DLR extended) X26 Croydon-Heathrow, a shortened former London country bus route 726 which ran Gravesend-Windsor X30 from New Addington to Croydon (express part of route 130) from 1987 until it became T3 pending tram link X43 from Finchley to London Bridge 1992-1998 53X from Plumstead to Oxford Circus 1988-92 X68 from West Croydon to Russel Square, still runs peak hours X71 from Hook to Ham, 1988-91 X72 from Thamesmead to Woolwich 1994-1998 What I can’t work out from TfL document is if they couldn’t get them to work 30 years ago, what has changed that they now think good idea to try again. There was also a "174EX" that ran between Harold Hill and Romford- can't remember exactly when it was withdrawn though |
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Post by VMH2537 on Mar 15, 2022 6:24:36 GMT
The document states that express services would: Provide new or enhanced connectivity & Not overlap rail links Therefore most of the suggestions above don't meet those requirements. Well that why a X16 would work from Edgware to Victoria also be good for a X266 from Brent Cross to Hammersmith Like a X266 stop called at Cricklewood Bus Garage Cricklewood Brodway Willesden Green Station Wilesden Bus Garage Haslden Jubliee Clock Willesden Junction North Action Action High Street Action Central Station Action Mainline Station This would take the load of the 260 266 and 460 and bring back the Willesden to Hammersmith Link Your X16 idea is still paralleling rail services north of Brent Cross where users have a route to Central London. Sure Edgware Road is unique with a strong travel corridor without paralleling any rail services up to Cricklewood, but there is a lack of space to place overtaking bus priority measures. We will be much better off running routes in its current structure if it's going to be stuck behind other routes on the bus lane. Your X266 idea doesn't route via a high frequent corridor for most of its routing, Only between Cricklewood to Willesden where the high frequenct corridor is. Even if there was strong demand on the 266 within the entire routing, it may not be viable in the long term knowing TFL have been proposing the West London orbital rail service that will route from Brent Cross to Hounslow via Acton, effectively nearly paralleling the 266 between Brent Cross and Acton |
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Post by aaron1 on Mar 15, 2022 8:04:43 GMT
I think an X25 could be quite handy, perhaps running from Stratford to Oxford Circus as a limited stop service Perhaps also an X15 from Central London to Canning Town and then via the A13 to Beckton or Barking There used to be a X15, ran from Beckton to Trafalgar Square, ran for about 6 years until Beckton extension to DLR opened in 1995 There was a handful of X routes, all started around 1988-91, but most only lasted a few years. X15 from Becton- Trafalgar Square 1989-95 (until DLR extended) X26 Croydon-Heathrow, a shortened former London country bus route 726 which ran Gravesend-Windsor X30 from New Addington to Croydon (express part of route 130) from 1987 until it became T3 pending tram link X43 from Finchley to London Bridge 1992-1998 53X from Plumstead to Oxford Circus 1988-92 X68 from West Croydon to Russel Square, still runs peak hours X71 from Hook to Ham, 1988-91 X72 from Thamesmead to Woolwich 1994-1998 What I can’t work out from TfL document is if they couldn’t get them to work 30 years ago, what has changed that they now think good idea to try again. Also from London bus route.co.uk there was a 296 limited Stop Copthall Stadium to Mill Hill East from 31.03.1979- 28.09.1979 X52 Colindale to Borehamwood 1955-1962 where it became the 292 X74 Baker Street to London Zoo 03.75 to 10.10 75 X212 from Finsbury Park to Muswell Hill 1955-1968 X609 from Bank to Mortlake High Street X767 from Heathrow Cargo Central to Uxbridge 1992-1993 also about the X15 route N551 use the same route that but at night is cool |
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Post by TB123 on Mar 15, 2022 8:26:57 GMT
The document states that express services would: Provide new or enhanced connectivity & Not overlap rail links Therefore most of the suggestions above don't meet those requirements. That's what I was thinking. Think the X53 is probably the likeliest one of the suggestions.... |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 15, 2022 12:03:10 GMT
I think an X25 could be quite handy, perhaps running from Stratford to Oxford Circus as a limited stop service Perhaps also an X15 from Central London to Canning Town and then via the A13 to Beckton or Barking There used to be a X15, ran from Beckton to Trafalgar Square, ran for about 6 years until Beckton extension to DLR opened in 1995 There was a handful of X routes, all started around 1988-91, but most only lasted a few years. X15 from Becton- Trafalgar Square 1989-95 (until DLR extended) X26 Croydon-Heathrow, a shortened former London country bus route 726 which ran Gravesend-Windsor X30 from New Addington to Croydon (express part of route 130) from 1987 until it became T3 pending tram link X43 from Finchley to London Bridge 1992-1998 53X from Plumstead to Oxford Circus 1988-92 X68 from West Croydon to Russel Square, still runs peak hours X71 from Hook to Ham, 1988-91 X72 from Thamesmead to Woolwich 1994-1998 What I can’t work out from TfL document is if they couldn’t get them to work 30 years ago, what has changed that they now think good idea to try again. What about the dear old 177 Express, complete with its ‘Starsky and Hutch’ Titans? The Routemasters PD received for the 53 also carried 177 Express blinds - now that would have been quite interesting had one worked the service!... |
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Post by danorak on Mar 15, 2022 12:28:43 GMT
There used to be a X15, ran from Beckton to Trafalgar Square, ran for about 6 years until Beckton extension to DLR opened in 1995 There was a handful of X routes, all started around 1988-91, but most only lasted a few years. X15 from Becton- Trafalgar Square 1989-95 (until DLR extended) X26 Croydon-Heathrow, a shortened former London country bus route 726 which ran Gravesend-Windsor X30 from New Addington to Croydon (express part of route 130) from 1987 until it became T3 pending tram link X43 from Finchley to London Bridge 1992-1998 53X from Plumstead to Oxford Circus 1988-92 X68 from West Croydon to Russel Square, still runs peak hours X71 from Hook to Ham, 1988-91 X72 from Thamesmead to Woolwich 1994-1998 What I can’t work out from TfL document is if they couldn’t get them to work 30 years ago, what has changed that they now think good idea to try again. What about the dear old 177 Express, complete with its ‘Starsky and Hutch’ Titans? The Routemasters PD received for the 53 also carried 177 Express blinds - now that would have been quite interesting had one worked the service!... I can't go into greater detail yet, but I've seen some interesting paperwork from the early 90s about rationalising the 53X/177E. The X53 bit pretty much went ahead, with all journeys following the 53 routeing and serving Thamesmead. However there were plans to run some journeys via Blackfriars and Fleet Street. These would have been numbered.... X54. I am sure absolutely no-one would have accidentally got on this in Woolwich, Charlton or Blackheath heading for Lewisham and been surprised to find themselves heading for Central London. |
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Post by route53 on Mar 15, 2022 15:31:46 GMT
What about the dear old 177 Express, complete with its ‘Starsky and Hutch’ Titans? The Routemasters PD received for the 53 also carried 177 Express blinds - now that would have been quite interesting had one worked the service!... I can't go into greater detail yet, but I've seen some interesting paperwork from the early 90s about rationalising the 53X/177E. The X53 bit pretty much went ahead, with all journeys following the 53 routeing and serving Thamesmead. However there were plans to run some journeys via Blackfriars and Fleet Street. These would have been numbered.... X54. I am sure absolutely no-one would have accidentally got on this in Woolwich, Charlton or Blackheath heading for Lewisham and been surprised to find themselves heading for Central London. The X54 following the 53 route rather than the more obvious 54 route would have caused nightmares, also what were the plans for the 53X/177E? I know both were eventually merged to make the X53 |
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Post by VH45241 on Mar 17, 2022 12:49:20 GMT
X112 Ealing broadway - Wood Green
Combines route 112 and 232 calling at stops:
Ealing broadway - Wood green
1) Ealing broadway
2) Hangerlane madley road( to serve north ealing station) Or North ealing station (if the route become double decker)
3) Hangerlane Station
4) Stonebridge park station
5) Woodheyes road (serves tescos, ikea and local residents)
6) Ardley Close (serves neasden shopping center)
7) Staples corner (Option to change for route 32 towards edgeware and serve industrial area)
8) Brent cross shopping centre
9) Brent cross Station
10) Golders green road( Option to change for route 83/183)
11) Henleys corner (interchange for buses towards north finchley)
12) Finchley High road (serves the high road)
13) Coloney hatch lane
14) Bounds green road
15) Bounds green
16) Park avenue
17) Wood green
I decided to defer from the 232 in bounds green so it can serve bounds green station
Wood green - Ealing broadway
1) Wood green
2) Park avenue
3) Bounds green station
4) Coloney Hatch lane
5) Finchley High road
6) Henleys corner
7) Golders green road
8) Brent cross station
9) Brent cross shopping center
10) Staples corner
11) Neasden shopping center
12) Woodheyes road
13) Stonebridge park station
14) Hangerlane station
15) North ealing station
16) Ealing broadway
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Post by busman on Mar 17, 2022 14:14:22 GMT
I will be very surprised if this does not result in an X53. From Oxford Circus to Plumstead serving only Trafalgar Sq, St Thomas’ Hosp, E&C, the two new BLE station, NXG & NX stations, Deptford Broadway & Deptford Bridge, Blackheath Royal Standard, Woolwich Arsenal and Plumstead Station perhaps? Agree, given the route is being considered in lieu of a Bakerloo Line extension. The 453 parallels most stops on the current Bakerloo Line and the proposed extension. Question will be where the route will terminate at the southern end. Will TfL follow the trend of having an express route mirror a day route (e.g. Marylebone to Deptford Bridge) or will TfL instead opt for Paddington/Marylebone to Lewisham via the 453 to New Cross, then via the 21 to Lewisham. As much as I would love to see an X53 in Woolwich, for the same reason of the link to the Bakerloo Line, I can’t see TfL opting to send the express route beyond Deptford to serve destinations unique to the 53. If I was a betting man, I would say improved bus priority will be implemented along the 53/453 corridor to improve speeds and reliability; 53 extended to Trafalgar Square *or* 12 extended to Marylebone; 453 replaced by X53 between Deptford and Marylebone. Same frequency with a lower PVR requirement. Spare PVR transferred for the calling-at-all-stops extension. |
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