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Post by busman on Mar 17, 2022 14:15:56 GMT
Seems to be a echo above  Did you two actually agree on something for once?? I’ve seen it all now 🤣 |
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Post by londontravel on Mar 19, 2022 13:46:30 GMT
X133 Thornton Heath - Moorgate:
Serves all stops from Thornton Heath - Streatham Hill, then non stop to Borough and all stops to Moorgate.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 19, 2022 13:54:58 GMT
X133 Thornton Heath - Moorgate: Serves all stops from Thornton Heath - Streatham Hill, then non stop to Borough and all stops to Moorgate. I don’t think this would work for reasons I’ve previously mentioned but especially because the A23 has a number of pinch points that express buses would get bogged down in with no ability to implement any suitable priority. On top of that, your missing several key stops like Brixton, Oval, Kennington & Elephant. |
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Post by londontravel on Mar 19, 2022 14:06:56 GMT
X133 Thornton Heath - Moorgate: Serves all stops from Thornton Heath - Streatham Hill, then non stop to Borough and all stops to Moorgate. I don’t think this would work for reasons I’ve previously mentioned but especially because the A23 has a number of pinch points that express buses would get bogged down in with no ability to implement any suitable priority. On top of that, your missing several key stops like Brixton, Oval, Kennington & Elephant. That’s the whole point of missing Brixton and Elephant as there’s enough local buses that serve there. This would be more of a city Monday to Friday service, similar to the X68. Now the return to work rule is being implemented, the city is getting busy again. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 19, 2022 17:30:46 GMT
I don’t think this would work for reasons I’ve previously mentioned but especially because the A23 has a number of pinch points that express buses would get bogged down in with no ability to implement any suitable priority. On top of that, your missing several key stops like Brixton, Oval, Kennington & Elephant. That’s the whole point of missing Brixton and Elephant as there’s enough local buses that serve there. This would be more of a city Monday to Friday service, similar to the X68. Now the return to work rule is being implemented, the city is getting busy again. Although according to the Standard on Wednesday office occupancy had reached a new high of 42% and plunges again on Mondays and Fridays so I'd say still a long way to go from the 69% average pre 2020. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 19, 2022 19:52:31 GMT
I don’t think this would work for reasons I’ve previously mentioned but especially because the A23 has a number of pinch points that express buses would get bogged down in with no ability to implement any suitable priority. On top of that, your missing several key stops like Brixton, Oval, Kennington & Elephant. That’s the whole point of missing Brixton and Elephant as there’s enough local buses that serve there. This would be more of a city Monday to Friday service, similar to the X68. Now the return to work rule is being implemented, the city is getting busy again. The difference is though the X68 exists because Upper Norwood has no direct link to the City - Thornton Heath, Streatham & Streatham Hill already do via train services and the latter two via the 133 |
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Post by route53 on Mar 20, 2022 11:37:29 GMT
I can see the 453 being extended from Deptford to Lewisham in the future to compensate for the lack of the Bakerloo extension.
Maybe a hypothetical X53 could follow the 53 as far as Blackheath then instead of going through West Greenwich & Deptford it would run through Blackheath Village to Lewisham then run non stop to Elephant & Castle? Of course this is wishful thinking.
I’ve often thought an express bus that could run along or parallel to the South Circular Road, links between SE & SW London are pretty poor.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Mar 20, 2022 11:41:00 GMT
I like the idea of extending the 460 but I also the idea of an X13 from Barnet to Victoria if there was some way of making it work without sacrificing too many other connections. This is because it would be along a straight line corridor serving busy town centres and then into central London, but one that doesn't have a single bus or tube line linking it all the way, which seems ideal for a new express route. Perhaps the 17 could be boosted in frequency and extended to North Finchley to make up for a reduced 263 frequency and the X13 could work similarly to the X68, serving all stops between Barnet Hospital (or Potters Bar) and North Finchley? South of North Finchley it could then call at: - Finchley Central station - Temple Fortune - Golders Green station - Child's Hill (Cricklewood Lane) - Finchley Road station - Swiss Cottage station - St John's Wood (Lord's) - Baker Street station - Selfridges - Marble Arch - Hyde Park Corner - Victoria I could see an X260 form instead via existing 260 and just straight up to Potters Bar with a loop for New Barnet. It would serve all stops until PB Stn to cover the 84 section. It would call at: White City Bus Station Shepherd's Bush Station Shepherd's Bush Market Station East Acton Lane/Savoy Circus Acton Main Line Station North Acton Station Central Middlesex Hospital Harlesden Station Willesden Junction Station Harlesden Jubilee Clock/Willesden County Court (renamed 18, 260 and 266 stop) Harlesden Police Station Willesden Magistrates Court Meyrick Road for Willesden Bus Garage Willesden Green Station Cricklewood Station for the Broadway Golders Green Stn Finchley Central Station North Finchley Bus Station Whetstone/The Griffin New Barnet Stn Calls at every 84 stop up to Potters Bar Stn |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Mar 20, 2022 11:56:31 GMT
I could see an X260 form instead via existing 260 and just straight up to Potters Bar with a loop for New Barnet. It would serve all stops until PB Stn to cover the 84 section. It would call at: White City Bus Station Shepherd's Bush Station Shepherd's Bush Market Station East Acton Lane/Savoy Circus Acton Main Line Station North Acton Station Central Middlesex Hospital Harlesden Station Willesden Junction Station Harlesden Jubilee Clock/Willesden County Court (renamed 18, 260 and 266 stop) Harlesden Police Station Willesden Magistrates Court Meyrick Road for Willesden Bus Garage Willesden Green Station Cricklewood Station for the Broadway Golders Green Stn Finchley Central Station North Finchley Bus Station Whetstone/The Griffin New Barnet Stn Calls at every 84 stop up to Potters Bar Stn Not sure it would work. Just seems unwieldy, long and unnecessary, like bumping a post. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Mar 20, 2022 11:59:24 GMT
Not sure it would work. Just seems unwieldy, long and unnecessary, like bumping a post. Ok, makes sense, but I only put it on the table as it would link many areas like Bush to areas like PB and Barnet |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 20, 2022 12:20:25 GMT
I can see the 453 being extended from Deptford to Lewisham in the future to compensate for the lack of the Bakerloo extension. Maybe a hypothetical X53 could follow the 53 as far as Blackheath then instead of going through West Greenwich & Deptford it would run through Blackheath Village to Lewisham then run non stop to Elephant & Castle? Of course this is wishful thinking. I’ve often thought an express bus that could run along or parallel to the South Circular Road, links between SE & SW London are pretty poor. Trying to run an express route along parts of the South Circular would be a nightmare. I’ve been asking for more east to west links for ages myself but the South Circular is a difficult situation for routes, probably explains why so few traverse it for a long period unlike the North Circular |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 20, 2022 12:42:34 GMT
Not sure it would work. Just seems unwieldy, long and unnecessary, like bumping a post. Ok, makes sense, but I only put it on the table as it would link many areas like Bush to areas like PB and Barnet It’s a completely unrealistic idea & I imagine people wanting to go to Westfield would instead get the train. The 260 cutback in 2003 was a good idea & now with HS2 works in Harlesden/OOC it would be a terrible route to drive, would probably have a longer running time than the X26. |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Mar 21, 2022 13:05:58 GMT
Would you think TfL would look into a cross boundary express service? For example an express service which would run from Lakeside to say Romford or further into London. An fantasy idea which I know wouldn't happen is X372. Calling points being: Lakeside Bus Station, Aveley Village, Rainham Tesco, Cherry Tree Lane, Mungo Park Road, Elm Park Station, Hornchurch Town Centre, Emerson Park Station, Romford Town Centre stops.
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Post by busman on Mar 21, 2022 13:15:53 GMT
Would you think TfL would look into a cross boundary express service? For example an express service which would run from Lakeside to say Romford or further into London. An fantasy idea which I know wouldn't happen is X372. Calling points being: Lakeside Bus Station, Aveley Village, Rainham Tesco, Cherry Tree Lane, Mungo Park Road, Elm Park Station, Hornchurch Town Centre, Emerson Park Station, Romford Town Centre stops. Definitely not. TfL is struggling with finances within its boundaries, let alone serving areas outside its area of responsibility. Don’t forget that TfL fares are heavily subsidised. TfL has recently favoured reducing cross-boundary services where the local authority e.g. Kent, Herts, Essex etc has not provided funding for services on their side of the boundary. Given that all councils are strapped for cash, I can’t see Essex CC stumping up cash to pay for such a route. |
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Mar 22, 2022 11:49:43 GMT
I can see the 453 being extended from Deptford to Lewisham in the future to compensate for the lack of the Bakerloo extension. Maybe a hypothetical X53 could follow the 53 as far as Blackheath then instead of going through West Greenwich & Deptford it would run through Blackheath Village to Lewisham then run non stop to Elephant & Castle? Of course this is wishful thinking. I’ve often thought an express bus that could run along or parallel to the South Circular Road, links between SE & SW London are pretty poor. Trying to run an express route along parts of the South Circular would be a nightmare. I’ve been asking for more east to west links for ages myself but the South Circular is a difficult situation for routes, probably explains why so few traverse it for a long period unlike the North Circular Unless of course there were to be extra bus priority measures introduced. I'd like to think it's possible because an A205 bus would be absolutely epic! |
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