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Post by vjaska on Mar 22, 2022 14:06:24 GMT
Trying to run an express route along parts of the South Circular would be a nightmare. I’ve been asking for more east to west links for ages myself but the South Circular is a difficult situation for routes, probably explains why so few traverse it for a long period unlike the North Circular Unless of course there were to be extra bus priority measures introduced. I'd like to think it's possible because an A205 bus would be absolutely epic! It would be epic but there are many pinch points where it becomes single lane & where priority might not be able to be fitted |
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Post by rjbarrett5 on Mar 22, 2022 15:20:04 GMT
New route X119/X269/X25/X27 running from West Croydon to Woolwich stopping at various points via Addiscombe, Shirley, Elmers End, Beckenham, Hayes Lane (to allow double-deck operation and easier interchange at Bromley), Chislehurst, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich.
Route about 16 miles and would take about 90 mins to fully complete end to end. Creates/enhances new links + a double deck route from Beckenham to Bromley during the day as well as a orbital express route being created. Finally reconnects Woolwich with Croydon again.
Reposted and edited from New Bus Ideas thread owing to vjaska’s suggestion.
Also interesting to note that 3/5ths of the express bus network will terminate at West Croydon.
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Post by someone on Mar 22, 2022 17:42:31 GMT
New route X119/X269/X25/X27 running from West Croydon to Woolwich stopping at various points via Addiscombe, Shirley, Elmers End, Beckenham, Hayes Lane (to allow double-deck operation and easier interchange at Bromley), Chislehurst, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich. Route about 16 miles and would take about 90 mins to fully complete end to end. Creates/enhances new links + a double deck route from Beckenham to Bromley during the day as well as a orbital express route being created. Finally reconnects Woolwich with Croydon again. Reposted and edited from New Bus Ideas thread owing to vjaska’s suggestion. Also interesting to note that 3/5ths of the express bus network will terminate at West Croydon. Probably better for the route to be slightly less lengthy and terminate at Beckenham Junction. |
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Post by someone on Mar 22, 2022 18:13:48 GMT
Route X161 - Thamesmead to Orpington Station via Woolwich, Eltham, Chislehurst and Petts Wood
towards Orpington Station: Thamesmead Town Centre (A) Watersmeet Place (no letter) Grasshaven Way (X) (follows A206 Western Way up to Plumstead) Plumstead Road/Plumstead Station (WL) Plumstead Road/Woolwich Public Market (Z)
Woolwich Arsenal Station (J) Nightingale Place (G) Well Hall Road/Shooters Hill Road (WR)
Well Hall Road/Well Hall Roundabout (N) Eltham Station/Sherard Road (D) Eltham Church/Well Hall Road (G) Mottingham Station (MD) Albany Road (D) Royal Parade (Q) Chislehurst Road/Poverest Road (L) Carlton Parade (L) High Street/Orpington War Memorial (S) Tubbenden Lane (J) Orpington Station (G)
towards Thamesmead: Orpington Station (F) Tubbenden Lane (H) High Street/Orpington War Memorial (R) Goodmead Road (D) Chislehurst Road/Poverest Road (D) St Pauls Cray Road/Church Lane (W) Chislehurst Sainsbury's (A) Mottingham Station (MN) Eltham Church/Well Hall Road (F) Eltham Station/Sherard Road (C) Well Hall Road/Well Hall Roundabout (Q) Academy Road/Shooters Hill Road (WY) Ha Ha Road (B) Woolwich Arsenal Station (N) Plumstead Road/Woolwich Public Market (K) Plumstead Bus Garage (A) (follows A206 Western Way to Thamesmead)
Grasshaven Way (Y) Watersmeet Place (no letter)
Thamesmead Town Centre (C)
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Post by greenboy on Mar 22, 2022 18:47:46 GMT
New route X119/X269/X25/X27 running from West Croydon to Woolwich stopping at various points via Addiscombe, Shirley, Elmers End, Beckenham, Hayes Lane (to allow double-deck operation and easier interchange at Bromley), Chislehurst, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich. Route about 16 miles and would take about 90 mins to fully complete end to end. Creates/enhances new links + a double deck route from Beckenham to Bromley during the day as well as a orbital express route being created. Finally reconnects Woolwich with Croydon again. Reposted and edited from New Bus Ideas thread owing to vjaska’s suggestion. Also interesting to note that 3/5ths of the express bus network will terminate at West Croydon. I can't imagine many people wanting to go from Croydon to Woolwich via Sidcup and Bexleyheath and TfL are never going to fund another route between Croydon, Elmers End and Beckenham when there is Tramlink. That's why the Croydon to Woolwich link was lost in the first place when the 54 was curtailed at Elmers End. What you could possibly do is a rehash of the eastern end of 726, Beckenham Junction to Dartford and then onto DVH, Bluewater and possibly Ebbsfleet International although I can't see it being viable in the current climate. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 22, 2022 20:31:53 GMT
New route X119/X269/X25/X27 running from West Croydon to Woolwich stopping at various points via Addiscombe, Shirley, Elmers End, Beckenham, Hayes Lane (to allow double-deck operation and easier interchange at Bromley), Chislehurst, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich. Route about 16 miles and would take about 90 mins to fully complete end to end. Creates/enhances new links + a double deck route from Beckenham to Bromley during the day as well as a orbital express route being created. Finally reconnects Woolwich with Croydon again. Reposted and edited from New Bus Ideas thread owing to vjaska’s suggestion. Also interesting to note that 3/5ths of the express bus network will terminate at West Croydon. Probably better for the route to be slightly less lengthy and terminate at Beckenham Junction. What's the point of an express route between West Croydon & Beckenham Junction when the tram exists and is quick in it's own right? Personally, I feel the OP's idea is on the right track, just maybe move away from Woolwich and head towards Bluewater instead but it at least was thinking along good lines |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 22:15:41 GMT
New route X119/X269/X25/X27 running from West Croydon to Woolwich stopping at various points via Addiscombe, Shirley, Elmers End, Beckenham, Hayes Lane (to allow double-deck operation and easier interchange at Bromley), Chislehurst, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich. Route about 16 miles and would take about 90 mins to fully complete end to end. Creates/enhances new links + a double deck route from Beckenham to Bromley during the day as well as a orbital express route being created. Finally reconnects Woolwich with Croydon again. Reposted and edited from New Bus Ideas thread owing to vjaska’s suggestion. Also interesting to note that 3/5ths of the express bus network will terminate at West Croydon. I can't imagine many people wanting to go from Croydon to Woolwich via Sidcup and Bexleyheath and TfL are never going to fund another route between Croydon, Elmers End and Beckenham when there is Tramlink. That's why the Croydon to Woolwich link was lost in the first place when the 54 was curtailed at Elmers End. What you could possibly do is a rehash of the eastern end of 726, Beckenham Junction to Dartford and then onto DVH, Bluewater and possibly Ebbsfleet International although I can't see it being viable in the current climate. I live in Sidcup and I’d love to be able to get to Croydon without having to change. I’d have it be Croydon to Dartford or Bluewater though rather than Woolwich. If there was to be a Croydon to Woolwich express route I’d have it run via Penge, Catford, Lewisham and Greenwich. |
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Post by cl54 on Mar 23, 2022 5:22:41 GMT
I live in Sidcup and I’d love to be able to get to Croydon without having to change. I’d have it be Croydon to Dartford or Bluewater though rather than Woolwich. If there was to be a Croydon to Woolwich express route I’d have it run via Penge, Catford, Lewisham and Greenwich. You are just one person who might make an occasional journey to Croydon. If you'd been there recently you would have found a shopping centre in serious decline. Hardly a reason for travelling there. Certainly no reason for an additional route along roads already served. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 23, 2022 7:38:03 GMT
I live in Sidcup and I’d love to be able to get to Croydon without having to change. I’d have it be Croydon to Dartford or Bluewater though rather than Woolwich. If there was to be a Croydon to Woolwich express route I’d have it run via Penge, Catford, Lewisham and Greenwich. You are just one person who might make an occasional journey to Croydon. If you'd been there recently you would have found a shopping centre in serious decline. Hardly a reason for travelling there. Certainly no reason for an additional route along roads already served. I agree and if anyone wants to get from Croydon to Woolwich in that much of a hurry it can be done on the train in under an hour with a change at London Bridge. |
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Post by joefrombow on Mar 23, 2022 11:30:44 GMT
X406 Beckton-Brent Cross DD and X407 Brent cross to Richmond DD coming off at the fly unders/overs with new bus priority measures and bus stops would make travelling from the parts of South/East to North London a lot easier , and some new express routes along all the major trunk roads , A40/M40 Marylebone out to Uxbridge , A13 from Aldgate to Rainham or even Lakeside (get the Essex punters for some increased revenue imagine a £1.65 fare from Thurrock to Aldgate or even a slightly enhanced fare for out of London ) same for the A12 from Brentwood to Canary Wharf , the A2 from Dartford right into Elephant so on and so forth
Yes these routes mirror train lines to a degree and would be plagued with traffic at the start but if you want people to come out of cars and on to buses etc surely having routes that go the same way as the major roads would help and if you had bus lanes and priority measures etc these would be faster than driving in a lot of cases plus lots of revenue from the "Green belt" commuters ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 11:58:32 GMT
I live in Sidcup and I’d love to be able to get to Croydon without having to change. I’d have it be Croydon to Dartford or Bluewater though rather than Woolwich. If there was to be a Croydon to Woolwich express route I’d have it run via Penge, Catford, Lewisham and Greenwich. You are just one person who might make an occasional journey to Croydon. If you'd been there recently you would have found a shopping centre in serious decline. Hardly a reason for travelling there. Certainly no reason for an additional route along roads already served. I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 23, 2022 13:13:09 GMT
You are just one person who might make an occasional journey to Croydon. If you'd been there recently you would have found a shopping centre in serious decline. Hardly a reason for travelling there. Certainly no reason for an additional route along roads already served. I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. Regardless, it doesn’t change the fact that it would very niche and unlikely to add any value to the bus network. |
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Post by busman on Mar 23, 2022 14:40:14 GMT
You are just one person who might make an occasional journey to Croydon. If you'd been there recently you would have found a shopping centre in serious decline. Hardly a reason for travelling there. Certainly no reason for an additional route along roads already served. I go there several times a week actually, and it’s for personal reasons. I can see the use, not just shopping but to for employment and also family and friends. This is the type of trip that people in this neck of the woods do by car or not do at all. For shopping, locals will travel to places like Bluewater, Bromley, Charlton or Bexleyheath. |
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Post by someone on Mar 23, 2022 16:46:21 GMT
Probably better for the route to be slightly less lengthy and terminate at Beckenham Junction. What's the point of an express route between West Croydon & Beckenham Junction when the tram exists and is quick in it's own right? Personally, I feel the OP's idea is on the right track, just maybe move away from Woolwich and head towards Bluewater instead but it at least was thinking along good lines No, I meant the route running between Beckenham Junction and Woolwich. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 23, 2022 16:50:34 GMT
New route X119/X269/X25/X27 running from West Croydon to Woolwich stopping at various points via Addiscombe, Shirley, Elmers End, Beckenham, Hayes Lane (to allow double-deck operation and easier interchange at Bromley), Chislehurst, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich. Route about 16 miles and would take about 90 mins to fully complete end to end. Creates/enhances new links + a double deck route from Beckenham to Bromley during the day as well as a orbital express route being created. Finally reconnects Woolwich with Croydon again. Reposted and edited from New Bus Ideas thread owing to vjaska’s suggestion. Also interesting to note that 3/5ths of the express bus network will terminate at West Croydon. If London had the same transport policies and investment as Paris, orbital links like this (and many of the other suburban ideas in this thread) would be provided by trams. |
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