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Post by snowman on May 23, 2022 11:32:40 GMT
The annual bus fleet audit report now published 8795 buses (down 273 on year earlier) 2017 (5 years ago) had 9616 buses so reduction of 821 buses or 8.53% Appears 334 buses in 2021 (316 in 2020, 481 in 2019,) so fleet is getting older The 334 buses were 251 double deck, 81 single, all electric except 16 hydrogen content.tfl.gov.uk/fleet-annual-audit-report-31-march-2022.pdfOperators (ranked by size) with % share, with 5 year change Go Ahead 2210 (25.13%) down 6.8% buses from 2370 in 2017 Arriva 1527 (17.36%) down 13.6% buses from 1768 in 2017 Metroline 1491 (16.95%) down 14.1% buses from 1735 in 2017 RATP 1234 (14.03%) up 13.6% buses from 1066 in 2017 Stagecoach 1191 (13.54%) down 7.7% buses from 1290 in 2017 Abellio 756 (8.60%) up 6.8% buses from 708 in 2017 HCT 159 (1.81%) up 4.6% buses from 152 buses in 2017 Tower Transit 139 (1.58%) down 71% from 479 in 2017 Sullivan 74 (0.84%) up 72% buses from 43 buses in 2017 UNO 14 (0.16%) up 180% from 5 buses in 2017 Average bus is now 7.12 years old with oldest to youngest: Sullivan 8.67 years (8.31 years in 2017) Arriva 8.06 years (5.93 years in 2017) Metroline 7.51 years (6.31 years in 2017) Go Ahead 7.25 years (5.78 years in 2017) Tower Transit 7.11 years (5.41 years in 2017) Stagecoach 7.02 years (6.43 years in 2017) UNO 6.99 years (3.37 years in 2017) Abellio 6.25 years (5.24 years in 2017) HCT 6.15 years (2.36 years in 2017) RATP 5.95 years (6.82 years in 2017) so apart from RATP fleets have got older, with Arriva going up 2+ years content.tfl.gov.uk/fleet-audit-31-march-2017-final.pdfA spreadsheet is on this link tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/bus-fleet-data-and-audits |
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Post by snowman on May 24, 2022 7:10:22 GMT
The 8 buses remaining from 2007 are the following :
Arriva ENL77
Go Ahead E61, E64, E65, E93
HCT 1300, 1301
Uno 605
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on May 24, 2022 7:23:14 GMT
Some questions about this:
Uno is shown to have 14 buses including 3 DD hybrids - which ones are these?
There appears to have been 12 8.8-9.0m and 24 9.9-10.2m SD EVs purchased in 2021. Which are these?
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Post by vjaska on May 24, 2022 12:09:22 GMT
The 8 buses remaining from 2007 are the following : Arriva ENL77 Go Ahead E61, E64, E65, E93 HCT 1300, 1301 Uno 605 I believe E64 & 65 have since stopped running leaving just two E’s in that age range. E61 could stop anytime whilst I suspect E93 will stop running once the electrics are fully bedded in at C whenever they arrive |
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Post by bustavane on May 24, 2022 12:41:37 GMT
The 8 buses remaining from 2007 are the following : Arriva ENL77 Go Ahead E61, E64, E65, E93 HCT 1300, 1301 Uno 605 I believe E64 & 65 have since stopped running leaving just two E’s in that age range. E61 could stop anytime whilst I suspect E93 will stop running once the electrics are fully bedded in at C whenever they arrive E93 has not been use since 29th April - will it see further service? |
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Post by vjaska on May 24, 2022 12:50:43 GMT
I believe E64 & 65 have since stopped running leaving just two E’s in that age range. E61 could stop anytime whilst I suspect E93 will stop running once the electrics are fully bedded in at C whenever they arrive E93 has not been use since 29th April - will it see further service? For some reason, I thought that one was running but seems not, I suspect it’s gone leaving E61 left in that age range unless it suddenly disappears 😂 |
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Post by abellion on May 24, 2022 18:22:16 GMT
The 8 buses remaining from 2007 are the following : Arriva ENL77 Go Ahead E61, E64, E65, E93 HCT 1300, 1301 Uno 605 Nice to see a 2007 E still running daily, especially when it could be replaced easily. If the 200 can get a full allocation without any Mes then E61 can just disappear at any point and be replaced by 1 newer bus |
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Post by ServerKing on May 25, 2022 4:42:52 GMT
The 8 buses remaining from 2007 are the following : Arriva ENL77 Go Ahead E61, E64, E65, E93 HCT 1300, 1301 Uno 605 Don't forget all of the 318 fleet which are the first 2007 E200 Darts still in operation (57 plate, bar EN38)  |
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Post by snowman on May 25, 2022 5:03:50 GMT
The 8 buses remaining from 2007 are the following : Arriva ENL77 Go Ahead E61, E64, E65, E93 HCT 1300, 1301 Uno 605 Don't forget all of the 318 fleet which are the first 2007 E200 Darts still in operation (57 plate, bar EN38) EN 5-22 are 57-reg, but are early 2008 (57-plate ended 29th Feb 2008) |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 28, 2022 5:44:34 GMT
These totals indicate that Stagecoach will overtake RATP to become #4 in London once they have completed their purchase of Tower Transit LI.
Sullivan probably has the oldest fleet as they have proportionately more schoolday routes than other operators.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 22:28:01 GMT
These totals indicate that Stagecoach will overtake RATP to become #4 in London once they have completed their purchase of Tower Transit LI. Sullivan probably has the oldest fleet as they have proportionately more schoolday routes than other operators. Yes and RATP will fall further next year due to Tender losses. |
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Post by snowman on Jun 4, 2022 9:00:35 GMT
Just been looking at the fleet audit data and trying to visualise the changes with proposed route cuts Whilst everyone has been focusing on central London cuts, which routes get LTs, diesel double decks becoming surplus. No one has spotted the ticking time bomb, all the aging single deck buses Data is in table 7 content.tfl.gov.uk/fleet-annual-audit-report-31-march-2022.pdf400+ single decks 9.9-10.2m and 150 of 10.4-10.9m already at least 11 years old and as many of these are on routes better suited to single decks, realistically means at least 500 electric single decks within 3 years |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 4, 2022 9:10:59 GMT
Just been looking at the fleet audit data and trying to visualise the changes with proposed route cuts Whilst everyone has been focusing on central London cuts, which routes get LTs, diesel double decks becoming surplus. No one has spotted the ticking time bomb, all the aging single deck buses Data is in table 7 content.tfl.gov.uk/fleet-annual-audit-report-31-march-2022.pdf400+ single decks 9.9-10.2m and 150 of 10.4-10.9m already at least 11 years old and as many of these are on routes better suited to single decks, realistically means at least 500 electric single decks within 3 years The 2nd half of this year would I expect see a fair number of tenders awarded with new single decks. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 4, 2022 10:57:55 GMT
Just been looking at the fleet audit data and trying to visualise the changes with proposed route cuts Whilst everyone has been focusing on central London cuts, which routes get LTs, diesel double decks becoming surplus. No one has spotted the ticking time bomb, all the aging single deck buses Data is in table 7 content.tfl.gov.uk/fleet-annual-audit-report-31-march-2022.pdf400+ single decks 9.9-10.2m and 150 of 10.4-10.9m already at least 11 years old and as many of these are on routes better suited to single decks, realistically means at least 500 electric single decks within 3 years The 2nd half of this year would I expect see a fair number of tenders awarded with new single decks. I agree with this, although if we are lucky it may result in some potential decker conversions of routes such as the 203 if it means that sourcing existing deckers in the fleet work out cheaper than a new fleet of electrics. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 4, 2022 11:06:12 GMT
The 2nd half of this year would I expect see a fair number of tenders awarded with new single decks. I agree with this, although if we are lucky it may result in some potential decker conversions of routes such as the 203 if it means that sourcing existing deckers in the fleet work out cheaper than a new fleet of electrics. As we've already seen with the 481 |
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