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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 2, 2022 12:30:46 GMT
Whilst a 33 point lead sounds good. In reality it may not translate into votes. The same way we saw Corbyn start to spank Theresa May, but still lost in the end. I do not trust any of the pollsters they are out of touch with reality. I don't think a single poll showed Corbyn spanking Theresa May. A 33 point lead is big, but even assuming any standard margin of error it'll almost certainly mean a Labour win. Does anyone actually think people will vote Conservative? I would not write them off. The landscape of the country has changed a lot. As I said the pollsters are way out of touch, even the newspapers, there are a lot of people do not read them anymore and are still interested in politics, but would look at news sources from other outlets, so these traditional big papers, even though they have online sources, do not reach out to a huge chunk of the public. I could understand if a general election was a year away, but we could potentially have 3 years, anything can change within that time. Liz truss could get better or worse, we could end up with another conservative leader, a million and one things can happen. The same way how Ed Milliband was bigged up so much, the way it was made out this guy would have had a landslide bigger than Everest, we all know how that went down. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 2, 2022 12:36:41 GMT
I don't think a single poll showed Corbyn spanking Theresa May. A 33 point lead is big, but even assuming any standard margin of error it'll almost certainly mean a Labour win. Does anyone actually think people will vote Conservative? I would not write them off. The landscape of the country has changed a lot. As I said the pollsters are way out of touch, even the newspapers, there are a lot of people do not read them anymore and are still interested in politics, but would look at news sources from other outlets, so these traditional big papers, even though they have online sources, do not reach out to a huge chunk of the public. I could understand if a general election was a year away, but we could potentially have 3 years, anything can change within that time. Liz truss could get better or worse, we could end up with another conservative leader, a million and one things can happen. The same way how Ed Milliband was bigged up so much, the way it was made out this guy would have had a landslide bigger than Everest, we all know how that went down. Again, I don't remember anywhere that said Ed Miliband would have any landslide victory. It was suggested there may be a hung parliament but the Tories would still be the largest party. The latest an election can be is January 2025, so it's unlikely we can have a 3 year wait. Not to mention if we get another Tory leader the British Public will probably end up even more fed up. |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 5, 2022 20:10:30 GMT
I would not write them off. The landscape of the country has changed a lot. As I said the pollsters are way out of touch, even the newspapers, there are a lot of people do not read them anymore and are still interested in politics, but would look at news sources from other outlets, so these traditional big papers, even though they have online sources, do not reach out to a huge chunk of the public. I could understand if a general election was a year away, but we could potentially have 3 years, anything can change within that time. Liz truss could get better or worse, we could end up with another conservative leader, a million and one things can happen. The same way how Ed Milliband was bigged up so much, the way it was made out this guy would have had a landslide bigger than Everest, we all know how that went down. Again, I don't remember anywhere that said Ed Miliband would have any landslide victory. It was suggested there may be a hung parliament but the Tories would still be the largest party. The latest an election can be is January 2025, so it's unlikely we can have a 3 year wait. Not to mention if we get another Tory leader the British Public will probably end up even more fed up. There is more chance of the ENs on the 318 making it to 2025 than Truss  She has some issues with North London, having mentioned the area again in her speech at her Conference  |
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 6, 2022 1:32:58 GMT
Again, I don't remember anywhere that said Ed Miliband would have any landslide victory. It was suggested there may be a hung parliament but the Tories would still be the largest party. The latest an election can be is January 2025, so it's unlikely we can have a 3 year wait. Not to mention if we get another Tory leader the British Public will probably end up even more fed up. There is more chance of the ENs on the 318 making it to 2025 than Truss She has some issues with North London, having mentioned the area again in her speech at her Conference I preferred it when Boris Johnson was the prime minister, I felt that while he wasn't great, he's not as awful as Less Trust. However she is at least doing one thing right and that is convincing the country into not voting for the Tories at the next election. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2022 11:40:31 GMT
There is more chance of the ENs on the 318 making it to 2025 than Truss She has some issues with North London, having mentioned the area again in her speech at her Conference I preferred it when Boris Johnson was the prime minister, I felt that while he wasn't great, he's not as awful as Less Trust. However she is at least doing one thing right and that is convincing the country into not voting for the Tories at the next election. I would prefer neither of them - it was right that Boris went but what should of happened is a general election should of taken place once Truss or whoever got in. Instead, we’ve ended up with someone who in her first week effective tanked the economy - a general election should really be called at this point to let the people decide |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 6, 2022 11:52:52 GMT
I preferred it when Boris Johnson was the prime minister, I felt that while he wasn't great, he's not as awful as Less Trust. However she is at least doing one thing right and that is convincing the country into not voting for the Tories at the next election. I would prefer neither of them - it was right that Boris went but what should of happened is a general election should of taken place once Truss or whoever got in. Instead, we’ve ended up with someone who in her first week effective tanked the economy - a general election should really be called at this point to let the people decide It’d be political suicide to want to form a government at the moment. Idealistic but the reality is nothing will really change under a new government, not in the short term. There is the overwhelming cost of living crippling countries across the world, the strong dollar weakening currency globally, inflation, energy and much more that are beyond any individual governments control. Labour has some interesting ideas but they seem to have a lack of cost attached beyond saying “they are fully costed”. I absolutely loathe their energy company idea, it won’t do anything but create another retail seller which still has to buy energy from the open market so wouldn’t be able to sell it any cheaper than any other retailer. I am open to a change in government leadership, 12 years+ is a long time, I felt the same after 13 years of a Labour government but i don’t think it’s the right time. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 6, 2022 12:01:36 GMT
I preferred it when Boris Johnson was the prime minister, I felt that while he wasn't great, he's not as awful as Less Trust. However she is at least doing one thing right and that is convincing the country into not voting for the Tories at the next election. I would prefer neither of them - it was right that Boris went but what should of happened is a general election should of taken place once Truss or whoever got in. Instead, we’ve ended up with someone who in her first week effective tanked the economy - a general election should really be called at this point to let the people decide I agree with you that neither are good, though Truss tarnished her reputation far quicker than Johnson, but I feel that the way things are going an election will probably happen within a year and Labour will win (hopefully), not that Keir Starmer is any better but I think he's the lesser of the two evils, and yes you're right an election should have been called. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 8, 2022 23:10:52 GMT
There is more chance of the ENs on the 318 making it to 2025 than Truss She has some issues with North London, having mentioned the area again in her speech at her Conference I preferred it when Boris Johnson was the prime minister, I felt that while he wasn't great, he's not as awful as Less Trust. However she is at least doing one thing right and that is convincing the country into not voting for the Tories at the next election. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Rishi Sunak should have got the job over Truss, I could have seen this happening. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 8, 2022 23:14:02 GMT
I would prefer neither of them - it was right that Boris went but what should of happened is a general election should of taken place once Truss or whoever got in. Instead, we’ve ended up with someone who in her first week effective tanked the economy - a general election should really be called at this point to let the people decide It’d be political suicide to want to form a government at the moment. Idealistic but the reality is nothing will really change under a new government, not in the short term. There is the overwhelming cost of living crippling countries across the world, the strong dollar weakening currency globally, inflation, energy and much more that are beyond any individual governments control. Labour has some interesting ideas but they seem to have a lack of cost attached beyond saying “they are fully costed”. I absolutely loathe their energy company idea, it won’t do anything but create another retail seller which still has to buy energy from the open market so wouldn’t be able to sell it any cheaper than any other retailer. I am open to a change in government leadership, 12 years+ is a long time, I felt the same after 13 years of a Labour government but i don’t think it’s the right time. Well it is easy for Labour to promise you the world as they are not in power. Lib Dems would possibly promise you the universe as the same scenario. It is easier to say we would or could do this and that when you are not at the reigns. Seen it time after time over the years with various governments; then when they come to power it never happens or the so called big plan is watered down. The next thing we have to worry about is this, lol  |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 9, 2022 15:40:21 GMT
It’d be political suicide to want to form a government at the moment. Idealistic but the reality is nothing will really change under a new government, not in the short term. There is the overwhelming cost of living crippling countries across the world, the strong dollar weakening currency globally, inflation, energy and much more that are beyond any individual governments control. Labour has some interesting ideas but they seem to have a lack of cost attached beyond saying “they are fully costed”. I absolutely loathe their energy company idea, it won’t do anything but create another retail seller which still has to buy energy from the open market so wouldn’t be able to sell it any cheaper than any other retailer. I am open to a change in government leadership, 12 years+ is a long time, I felt the same after 13 years of a Labour government but i don’t think it’s the right time. Well it is easy for Labour to promise you the world as they are not in power. Lib Dems would possibly promise you the universe as the same scenario. It is easier to say we would or could do this and that when you are not at the reigns. Seen it time after time over the years with various governments; then when they come to power it never happens or the so called big plan is watered down. The next thing we have to worry about is this, lol Although Labour would not have scrapped the top rate of tax because that goes against what they stand for completely, and the resulting pound crash wouldn't have happened. I think it's clear now where this government is heading. If both Truss and Kwarteng stay on in their positions it's effectively a mirror image of the Brown ministry where it was just a dead government walking. Although instead of a hung parliament at the end, it's going to be a Labour majority. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 9, 2022 15:57:43 GMT
Well it is easy for Labour to promise you the world as they are not in power. Lib Dems would possibly promise you the universe as the same scenario. It is easier to say we would or could do this and that when you are not at the reigns. Seen it time after time over the years with various governments; then when they come to power it never happens or the so called big plan is watered down. The next thing we have to worry about is this, lol Although Labour would not have scrapped the top rate of tax because that goes against what they stand for completely, and the resulting pound crash wouldn't have happened. I think it's clear now where this government is heading. If both Truss and Kwarteng stay on in their positions it's effectively a mirror image of the Brown ministry where it was just a dead government walking. Although instead of a hung parliament at the end, it's going to be a Labour majority. I really hope your last sentence will come true. A hung parliament won't benefit the country |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 10, 2022 15:29:54 GMT
I preferred it when Boris Johnson was the prime minister, I felt that while he wasn't great, he's not as awful as Less Trust. However she is at least doing one thing right and that is convincing the country into not voting for the Tories at the next election. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Rishi Sunak should have got the job over Truss, I could have seen this happening. It's an issue with a troublesome batch, like the gearboxes on the then new E10 E200's that could allegedly fall out A lot are falling out with Truss, such as Nicola Sturgeon (SNP, Scotland) and Mark Drakeford (Plaid Cymru, Wales First Minister) who she has decided to blank and refuse to meet up with. (Customary for new PM to meet all senior ministers), plus humiliation of U Turns from Kwasi Kwarteng, while people are mocking the fregmented way Liz talks (think back to first IBus announcements on the 243's DLAs when first rolled out)... Like the buses on the 318's, we have no idea where this Government are heading, and iBus is just showing "*"  |
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 10, 2022 19:57:33 GMT
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Rishi Sunak should have got the job over Truss, I could have seen this happening. It's an issue with a troublesome batch, like the gearboxes on the then new E10 E200's that could allegedly fall out A lot are falling out with Truss, such as Nicola Sturgeon (SNP, Scotland) and Mark Drakeford (Plaid Cymru, Wales First Minister) who she has decided to blank and refuse to meet up with. (Customary for new PM to meet all senior ministers), plus humiliation of U Turns from Kwasi Kwarteng, while people are mocking the fregmented way Liz talks (think back to first IBus announcements on the 243's DLAs when first rolled out)... Like the buses on the 318's, we have no idea where this Government are heading, and iBus is just showing "*" One tiny correction, Drakeford is Welsh Labour  "iBus is just showing "*" " perfect analogy  |
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 10, 2022 22:01:28 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63208987Sam Tarry, Labour MP for Ilford South, becomes the first Labour MP to be deselected whilst in office since 2010. Jas Athwal, leader of Redbridge council, will replace him on the ballot at the next election. Tarry, who ran campaigns for Jeremy Corbyn and Angela Rayner, is a prominent member of the left-wing Socialist Campaign Group. Tarry and Athwal initially faced eachother before the 2019 election, when Athwal's campaign was jeopardised as he was faced with an allegation of sexual assault close to the selection ballot. Athwal was cleared of any wrongdoing the next year.
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 11, 2022 16:17:53 GMT
More bad news  and the Markets are still jumpy |
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She has some issues with North London, having mentioned the area again in her speech at her Conference 
