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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 10, 2022 7:24:20 GMT
It's early days yet, and news resulting from the change of Prime Minister has of course been abruptly halted by the death of the Queen.
However, early indications were that the change of PM had not lifted the Tories' fortunes in the polls. She could yet be the first PM for decades whose party was persistently behind in the polls.
Plus, if she loses the next General Election, she would still be at least 6 months short of her 50th birthday and the youngest ex-PM for decades.
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Post by busman on Sept 10, 2022 9:27:01 GMT
It's early days yet, and news resulting from the change of Prime Minister has of course been abruptly halted by the death of the Queen. However, early indications were that the change of PM had not lifted the Tories' fortunes in the polls. She could yet be the first PM for decades whose party was persistently behind in the polls. Plus, if she loses the next General Election, she would still be at least 6 months short of her 50th birthday and the youngest ex-PM for decades. Far too early to predict. I think many voters were put off by Johnson’s lies and hypocrisy. It looks like Truss will be a more formidable opponent than Johnson. She will no doubt say something silly in the course of her premiership, but her predecessor has proven that the electorate will overlook that if they think they will be better off. Truss has made a huge short term and long term intervention in the energy market. Bills are capped at £2500. That is a big reduction compared to what it would have been later this year and has spared people from financial ruin if the January and April rises had come into force. Problem for Truss is that some voters will see that their bills have gone up from £1900 to £2500, and not account for the extra cost the government has saved them from. The cost savings are intangible to many because the bills at the higher cap had not yet happened. If Truss goes ahead with proposals to raise the higher rate of income tax threshold to £80K, that will be a vote winner. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 10, 2022 10:02:52 GMT
It's early days yet, and news resulting from the change of Prime Minister has of course been abruptly halted by the death of the Queen. However, early indications were that the change of PM had not lifted the Tories' fortunes in the polls. She could yet be the first PM for decades whose party was persistently behind in the polls. Plus, if she loses the next General Election, she would still be at least 6 months short of her 50th birthday and the youngest ex-PM for decades. Far too early to predict. I think many voters were put off by Johnson’s lies and hypocrisy. It looks like Truss will be a more formidable opponent than Johnson. She will no doubt say something silly in the course of her premiership, but her predecessor has proven that the electorate will overlook that if they think they will be better off. Truss has made a huge short term and long term intervention in the energy market. Bills are capped at £2500. That is a big reduction compared to what it would have been later this year and has spared people from financial ruin if the January and April rises had come into force. Problem for Truss is that some voters will see that their bills have gone up from £1900 to £2500, and not account for the extra cost the government has saved them from. The cost savings are intangible to many because the bills at the higher cap had not yet happened. If Truss goes ahead with proposals to raise the higher rate of income tax threshold to £80K, that will be a vote winner. Think you're giving that 80K proposal far too much credit, many people think it should be lowered not raised. That will probably be something that sends people away if anything from the party and is going to incline the lower earners that vote Tories to head to the LIbDems or Labour. The only people who will like it are those that earn in the region of the higher tax bracket at the moment, of which only a % will even benefit and I can't imagine this will cause masses of people flocking to the Tories. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 11, 2022 22:08:06 GMT
It's early days yet, and news resulting from the change of Prime Minister has of course been abruptly halted by the death of the Queen. However, early indications were that the change of PM had not lifted the Tories' fortunes in the polls. She could yet be the first PM for decades whose party was persistently behind in the polls. Plus, if she loses the next General Election, she would still be at least 6 months short of her 50th birthday and the youngest ex-PM for decades. Far too early to predict. I think many voters were put off by Johnson’s lies and hypocrisy. It looks like Truss will be a more formidable opponent than Johnson. She will no doubt say something silly in the course of her premiership, but her predecessor has proven that the electorate will overlook that if they think they will be better off. Truss has made a huge short term and long term intervention in the energy market. Bills are capped at £2500. That is a big reduction compared to what it would have been later this year and has spared people from financial ruin if the January and April rises had come into force. Problem for Truss is that some voters will see that their bills have gone up from £1900 to £2500, and not account for the extra cost the government has saved them from. The cost savings are intangible to many because the bills at the higher cap had not yet happened. If Truss goes ahead with proposals to raise the higher rate of income tax threshold to £80K, that will be a vote winner. Well said, I would not trust the pollsters with anything. They are in an error bygone and do NOT reflect the country. Maybe in part as they rely on a lot of modern tactics where they fail to take in traditional forms. The same way in that organisations seems to believe everyone has a smart phone, everyone downloads their apps and we pay for everything by card. I still do not think Starmer may do it, it is still way to early to predict anything. He is the best Labour leader since Tony Blair imo, one person who I feel would have made a good labour leader was David Milliband, but we all know the story how that went down. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 12, 2022 6:26:24 GMT
Far too early to predict. I think many voters were put off by Johnson’s lies and hypocrisy. It looks like Truss will be a more formidable opponent than Johnson. She will no doubt say something silly in the course of her premiership, but her predecessor has proven that the electorate will overlook that if they think they will be better off. Truss has made a huge short term and long term intervention in the energy market. Bills are capped at £2500. That is a big reduction compared to what it would have been later this year and has spared people from financial ruin if the January and April rises had come into force. Problem for Truss is that some voters will see that their bills have gone up from £1900 to £2500, and not account for the extra cost the government has saved them from. The cost savings are intangible to many because the bills at the higher cap had not yet happened. If Truss goes ahead with proposals to raise the higher rate of income tax threshold to £80K, that will be a vote winner. Well said, I would not trust the pollsters with anything. They are in an error bygone and do NOT reflect the country. Maybe in part as they rely on a lot of modern tactics where they fail to take in traditional forms. The same way in that organisations seems to believe everyone has a smart phone, everyone downloads their apps and we pay for everything by card. I still do not think Starmer may do it, it is still way to early to predict anything. He is the best Labour leader since Tony Blair imo, one person who I feel would have made a good labour leader was David Milliband, but we all know the story how that went down. Really, I think Starmer is the worst leader Labour has had in a long time. He stands for nothing and everything at the same time. He spends far too much time trying to please everyone and his strategy just doesn’t work for me. At least Corbyn, despite his obvious issues, had a clear vision for what he wanted if he was PM. I feel like Starmer just doesn’t yet and this is the time when he absolutely should have a clear message for voters to see. I would be surprised if Starmer wins an election outright and we don’t end up with a severely hung government reliant on wee Jimmy Krankie to provide support to a minority Labour government. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 12, 2022 7:09:22 GMT
Well said, I would not trust the pollsters with anything. They are in an error bygone and do NOT reflect the country. Maybe in part as they rely on a lot of modern tactics where they fail to take in traditional forms. The same way in that organisations seems to believe everyone has a smart phone, everyone downloads their apps and we pay for everything by card. I still do not think Starmer may do it, it is still way to early to predict anything. He is the best Labour leader since Tony Blair imo, one person who I feel would have made a good labour leader was David Milliband, but we all know the story how that went down. Really, I think Starmer is the worst leader Labour has had in a long time. He stands for nothing and everything at the same time. He spends far too much time trying to please everyone and his strategy just doesn’t work for me. At least Corbyn, despite his obvious issues, had a clear vision for what he wanted if he was PM. I feel like Starmer just doesn’t yet and this is the time when he absolutely should have a clear message for voters to see. I would be surprised if Starmer wins an election outright and we don’t end up with a severely hung government reliant on wee Jimmy Krankie to provide support to a minority Labour government. Would certainly say Starmer is the best, his endorsements make it clear what he stands for and his tackling of the far left just shows that even more. That showing on the polls doesn't come out of thin air. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 21, 2022 11:17:17 GMT
£8.2bn interest payments on the National Debt for the month of August ... just imagine what that could have been used for. Consequence of increased public spending (and inflation/interest rate), interest payments go up!
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 22, 2022 2:08:48 GMT
Thread needs to be renamed "Truss Leadership Crisis" soon, as the Magic Money Tree may fail in latest bid to pay off energy firms to cut bills   |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 25, 2022 20:00:03 GMT
Thread needs to be renamed "Truss Leadership Crisis" soon, as the Magic Money Tree may fail in latest bid to pay off energy firms to cut bills Looks like Truss has really sunk herself very quickly. The mini-budget seems to have been a complete disaster, with the pound slumping badly right afterwards. Whatever money the rich are saving from this are not going to invest it with the pound in such a state. While I hope the actual working class are happy with their pound saving of tax for every £100 that they earn. Already reports of Tory MPs preparing letters of no confidence if the situation doesn't improve in the coming days. All this alongside the fact Truss' chief of staff has been involved in a scandal already which has supposedly caused a rift between Downing Street and Washington already. Shows what happens when you promote your friends into top positions when they're inexperienced, and you keep the experienced people away from the top jobs as they point out the flaws in your plan. Labour had a very good day today, they're now sitting very comfortably up in the polls and bookies all have them as favourites to win the next General election. |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 25, 2022 21:05:40 GMT
Thread needs to be renamed "Truss Leadership Crisis" soon, as the Magic Money Tree may fail in latest bid to pay off energy firms to cut bills Looks like Truss has really sunk herself very quickly. The mini-budget seems to have been a complete disaster, with the pound slumping badly right afterwards. Whatever money the rich are saving from this are not going to invest it with the pound in such a state. While I hope the actual working class are happy with their pound saving of tax for every £100 that they earn. Already reports of Tory MPs preparing letters of no confidence if the situation doesn't improve in the coming days. All this alongside the fact Truss' chief of staff has been involved in a scandal already which has supposedly caused a rift between Downing Street and Washington already. Shows what happens when you promote your friends into top positions when they're inexperienced, and you keep the experienced people away from the top jobs as they point out the flaws in your plan. Labour had a very good day today, they're now sitting very comfortably up in the polls and bookies all have them as favourites to win the next General election. The budget wheeze will fail, this is a reboot of Theresa May, without the trips to the EU begging Brussels  Tories, like Alsatians sense fear and will rip her to shreds in good time once the honeymoon ends and they are trapped in the loveless marriage. Choosing between Truss and Sunak was like picking a bus out of Tottenham's fleet to put on the 318... their policy is as seized as EN17's blind, they are starting to out-Labour Labour, by nationalising stuff they sold off three decades ago like the trains, after finding it doesn't work They don't want things to be too maudlin next year when we are celebrating the Coronation, so we'll all overspend like Croydon Council as we try to make the economy (what's left of it) rally... it will be a repeat of the Eat Out To Help Out where they will burn through money which someone (us) will have to pay back -probably timed for the next administration to pick up the tab. The Royal Family might remember her comments about doing away with the Monarchy (although she claimed such comments were in error, but she'll have to fight off Meghan Markle who is having a go at destroying it as we speak), they will tire of her shrill voice and the Tories have done the political equivalent of bringing on Richarlison in the 83rd minute when trailing 4-1 to Arsenal ... it won't end well. Sorry to say the diversions of Balmoral, death of the Queen, a new King, a State Funeral etc., has taken focus off what the Truss administration will really do. It's a bizarre cabinet, an obese woman running the health service, and a Chancellor who will make the Pound plunge against the Dollar. Can't go to Marbs or Dubai or Turkey when your currency is as useless as the Rouble |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 29, 2022 17:29:51 GMT
Following the recent well-publicised events surrounding the pound and pensions, Labour has taken a whopping 33-point lead in opinion polls, the highest since 1996 labourlist.org/2022/09/labour-has-33-point-lead-over-conservatives-yougov-poll-finds/The recent conference and keynote speech from Keir has clearly gone down very well - I had the honour of attending both and the morale was absolutely fantastic amongst party activists there. And the speech contained the right ideas at the right time. The Tories have learnt the hard way that if you declare war on middle England with the impact of the mini budget on mortgages and pensions, you'll quickly feel it |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 29, 2022 19:10:42 GMT
Following the recent well-publicised events surrounding the pound and pensions, Labour has taken a whopping 33-point lead in opinion polls, the highest since 1996 labourlist.org/2022/09/labour-has-33-point-lead-over-conservatives-yougov-poll-finds/The recent conference and keynote speech from Keir has clearly gone down very well - I had the honour of attending both and the morale was absolutely fantastic amongst party activists there. And the speech contained the right ideas at the right time. The Tories have learnt the hard way that if you declare war on middle England with the impact of the mini budget on mortgages and pensions, you'll quickly feel it I am starting to wonder if Truss can even make it to the next election now. The initial reports were only the red wall MPs were afraid of losing their seats, but now it's clear that the worry will be spreading to much safer Tory seats too. Unless Kwarteng gets the sack and Truss publicly admits she was wrong, and the new chancellor provides a rapid fix then it's almost certainly curtains from the Tories now. You know you've failed when the first thing you do crashes the economy. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 1, 2022 0:11:16 GMT
Following the recent well-publicised events surrounding the pound and pensions, Labour has taken a whopping 33-point lead in opinion polls, the highest since 1996 labourlist.org/2022/09/labour-has-33-point-lead-over-conservatives-yougov-poll-finds/The recent conference and keynote speech from Keir has clearly gone down very well - I had the honour of attending both and the morale was absolutely fantastic amongst party activists there. And the speech contained the right ideas at the right time. The Tories have learnt the hard way that if you declare war on middle England with the impact of the mini budget on mortgages and pensions, you'll quickly feel it Whilst a 33 point lead sounds good. In reality it may not translate into votes. The same way we saw Corbyn start to spank Theresa May, but still lost in the end. I do not trust any of the pollsters they are out of touch with reality. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 12:16:43 GMT
In Yes Minister Jum Hacker made a remark that if the country's going downhill you need to put your foot on the accelerator. Sir Humphrey asked whethe he meant the brake!
What seems to have happened here is that the Tories' fortunes were going downhill under Boris and they have put their foot on the accelerator.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 1, 2022 12:24:51 GMT
Following the recent well-publicised events surrounding the pound and pensions, Labour has taken a whopping 33-point lead in opinion polls, the highest since 1996 labourlist.org/2022/09/labour-has-33-point-lead-over-conservatives-yougov-poll-finds/The recent conference and keynote speech from Keir has clearly gone down very well - I had the honour of attending both and the morale was absolutely fantastic amongst party activists there. And the speech contained the right ideas at the right time. The Tories have learnt the hard way that if you declare war on middle England with the impact of the mini budget on mortgages and pensions, you'll quickly feel it Whilst a 33 point lead sounds good. In reality it may not translate into votes. The same way we saw Corbyn start to spank Theresa May, but still lost in the end. I do not trust any of the pollsters they are out of touch with reality. I don't think a single poll showed Corbyn spanking Theresa May. A 33 point lead is big, but even assuming any standard margin of error it'll almost certainly mean a Labour win. Does anyone actually think people will vote Conservative? |
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Tories, like Alsatians sense fear and will rip her to shreds in good time once the honeymoon ends and they are trapped in the loveless marriage. Choosing between Truss and Sunak was like picking a bus out of Tottenham's fleet to put on the 318... their policy is as seized as EN17's blind, they are starting to out-Labour Labour, by nationalising stuff they sold off three decades ago like the trains, after finding it doesn't work 