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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 11, 2022 23:11:11 GMT
I remember 1992, I really wanted to see Neil Kinnock win, I just could not understand how he did not do it. Back then the way the tv news, newspapers etc went on. I thought Kinnock would have been PM. May be a bit early to draw comparisons but obviously in '97 we had the dynamic young man (Blair) and the dull grey old man (Major) and I wonder if that will apply to Sunak and Starmer too. i would not say Sunak is dull and Starmer is not younger than Sunak
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Post by rif153 on Nov 11, 2022 23:20:38 GMT
May be a bit early to draw comparisons but obviously in '97 we had the dynamic young man (Blair) and the dull grey old man (Major) and I wonder if that will apply to Sunak and Starmer too. i would not say Sunak is dull and Starmer is not younger than Sunak My point was Sunak is the dynamic young man and Starmer is the dull grey old man.
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Post by snowman on Nov 12, 2022 6:39:56 GMT
I remember 1992, I really wanted to see Neil Kinnock win, I just could not understand how he did not do it. Back then the way the tv news, newspapers etc went on. I thought Kinnock would have been PM. May be a bit early to draw comparisons but obviously in '97 we had the dynamic young man (Blair) and the dull grey old man (Major) and I wonder if that will apply to Sunak and Starmer too. You also have to remember the electorate were ready for a change in 1997, the Conservatives has been in power 18 years since 1979. Blair was very good at appealing to the middle with new Labour, and just allowed (old) labour to sweep up their traditional heartlands. What will probably happen this time (which will probably be towards end of next 26 months), is there will be another anyone but the current lot vote The reality is Scotland will generally go SNP, Labour will pick up much of their old heartlands, and a lot of the southern half the country won’t fancy Labour, will be fed up with conservatives to will vote LibDem instead. Also don’t forget the Boundary commission changes will almost certainly have taken place, which increases the seats in London and south, whilst reducing them in Scotland and North (constituencies are being altered to make them within a few percent of 2020 electorate size). Starmer might get 300 seats, but probably not 325+ that you need for a majority EDIT adding links for anyone who wants to check their new constituencies (whole country, and London) boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/london/
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 12, 2022 21:03:19 GMT
i would not say Sunak is dull and Starmer is not younger than Sunak My point was Sunak is the dynamic young man and Starmer is the dull grey old man. Hmmmm, I would not say Starmer was dull or old; greyish a bit though
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 12, 2022 21:10:32 GMT
May be a bit early to draw comparisons but obviously in '97 we had the dynamic young man (Blair) and the dull grey old man (Major) and I wonder if that will apply to Sunak and Starmer too. You also have to remember the electorate were ready for a change in 1997, the Conservatives has been in power 18 years since 1979. Blair was very good at appealing to the middle with new Labour, and just allowed (old) labour to sweep up their traditional heartlands. What will probably happen this time (which will probably be towards end of next 26 months), is there will be another anyone but the current lot vote The reality is Scotland will generally go SNP, Labour will pick up much of their old heartlands, and a lot of the southern half the country won’t fancy Labour, will be fed up with conservatives to will vote LibDem instead. Also don’t forget the Boundary commission changes will almost certainly have taken place, which increases the seats in London and south, whilst reducing them in Scotland and North (constituencies are being altered to make them within a few percent of 2020 electorate size). Starmer might get 300 seats, but probably not 325+ that you need for a majority EDIT adding links for anyone who wants to check their new constituencies (whole country, and London) boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/london/I am sure I have seen that no party has won 5 general elections in a row.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 12, 2022 21:13:12 GMT
The way I see this is the police are being too 'protectionist' imo. The same way they did nothing to Starmer and any old fool can clearly see they broke the rules. It does nto take a genius to work it out. I guess it is also in part down to the justice system of this country, it is a joke; no wonder criminals have no fear of the law. Covid lockdown: No police action over Shaun Bailey Tory eventScotland Yard is taking no action against former London mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey nor other people who attended a gathering at Conservative Party HQ during a Covid lockdown.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63596886
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 12, 2022 21:18:50 GMT
The way I see this is the police are being too 'protectionist' imo. The same way they did nothing to Starmer and any old fool can clearly see they broke the rules. It does nto take a genius to work it out. I guess it is also in part down to the justice system of this country, it is a joke; no wonder criminals have no fear of the law. Covid lockdown: No police action over Shaun Bailey Tory eventScotland Yard is taking no action against former London mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey nor other people who attended a gathering at Conservative Party HQ during a Covid lockdown.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63596886Did you carry out the investigation to determine whether Starmer and Bailey broke the rules or not?
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 13, 2022 7:36:36 GMT
The way I see this is the police are being too 'protectionist' imo. The same way they did nothing to Starmer and any old fool can clearly see they broke the rules. It does nto take a genius to work it out. I guess it is also in part down to the justice system of this country, it is a joke; no wonder criminals have no fear of the law. Covid lockdown: No police action over Shaun Bailey Tory eventScotland Yard is taking no action against former London mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey nor other people who attended a gathering at Conservative Party HQ during a Covid lockdown.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63596886Perhaps it's just a way to keep everything running, as there's no money for lengthy investigations or enquiries. In Haringey I've seen they don't seem to report on all the stabbings or other crimes as much as before, even the police aren't tearing up and down Lordship Lane in the van or unmarked X5's as before, almost like news is being suppressed to encourage more affluent people to the area, and push the undesirable elements out. Cops sit in CCTV rooms waiting to capture motorists who might be caught at 24 miles an hour, than walk the streets. We saw the news reports over the very low bar set to get into the police, so no surprise if they turn a blind eye to a lot of things to keep things as they are... All political parties are as bad as each other, this is the sharp intake of breath before the plunge, as we brace for higher taxes to beat off the (self inflicted) Recession. Those duped into Electric Cars now are finding out they will pay road tax on them, like the rest of us using Dinosaur Juice... it reminds me of the time we were all told to buy diesels in 2002 before they were bad, then told to buy petrol, now hybrids or electric. No one is mentioning the damage caused by Cobalt mining to get said batteries, or how we get rid of them when they're expired. I'm sure there will be another political scandal along in a minute if you've just missed one
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 14, 2022 0:11:40 GMT
The way I see this is the police are being too 'protectionist' imo. The same way they did nothing to Starmer and any old fool can clearly see they broke the rules. It does nto take a genius to work it out. I guess it is also in part down to the justice system of this country, it is a joke; no wonder criminals have no fear of the law. Covid lockdown: No police action over Shaun Bailey Tory eventScotland Yard is taking no action against former London mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey nor other people who attended a gathering at Conservative Party HQ during a Covid lockdown.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63596886Did you carry out the investigation to determine whether Starmer and Bailey broke the rules or not? I do not need to, doesn't take a genius to realise they were also rule breakers.
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Post by mkay315 on Nov 14, 2022 7:38:45 GMT
The way I see this is the police are being too 'protectionist' imo. The same way they did nothing to Starmer and any old fool can clearly see they broke the rules. It does nto take a genius to work it out. I guess it is also in part down to the justice system of this country, it is a joke; no wonder criminals have no fear of the law. Covid lockdown: No police action over Shaun Bailey Tory eventScotland Yard is taking no action against former London mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey nor other people who attended a gathering at Conservative Party HQ during a Covid lockdown.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63596886Perhaps it's just a way to keep everything running, as there's no money for lengthy investigations or enquiries. In Haringey I've seen they don't seem to report on all the stabbings or other crimes as much as before, even the police aren't tearing up and down Lordship Lane in the van or unmarked X5's as before, almost like news is being suppressed to encourage more affluent people to the area, and push the undesirable elements out. Cops sit in CCTV rooms waiting to capture motorists who might be caught at 24 miles an hour, than walk the streets. We saw the news reports over the very low bar set to get into the police, so no surprise if they turn a blind eye to a lot of things to keep things as they are... All political parties are as bad as each other, this is the sharp intake of breath before the plunge, as we brace for higher taxes to beat off the (self inflicted) Recession. Those duped into Electric Cars now are finding out they will pay road tax on them, like the rest of us using Dinosaur Juice... it reminds me of the time we were all told to buy diesels in 2002 before they were bad, then told to buy petrol, now hybrids or electric. No one is mentioning the damage caused by Cobalt mining to get said batteries, or how we get rid of them when they're expired. I'm sure there will be another political scandal along in a minute if you've just missed one You've completely got it right on the money. The way I've had to tell people about the electric car stuff. It's all good that it doesn't emit anything however as you said what will they do when the battery life has expired and the way some are using lithium batteries. If not handled correctly it can cause more damage than the ICE cars can. Not to mention come 2025 they have to pay the congestion zone. For some that still haven't realised this. They will be in for a rude awakening come that time and it will be too late to do anything about it.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 14, 2022 8:10:09 GMT
Did you carry out the investigation to determine whether Starmer and Bailey broke the rules or not? I do not need to, doesn't take a genius to realise they were also rule breakers. Maybe you should be the next commissioner as you have access to more data than the police.
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 14, 2022 19:40:44 GMT
Perhaps it's just a way to keep everything running, as there's no money for lengthy investigations or enquiries. In Haringey I've seen they don't seem to report on all the stabbings or other crimes as much as before, even the police aren't tearing up and down Lordship Lane in the van or unmarked X5's as before, almost like news is being suppressed to encourage more affluent people to the area, and push the undesirable elements out. Cops sit in CCTV rooms waiting to capture motorists who might be caught at 24 miles an hour, than walk the streets. We saw the news reports over the very low bar set to get into the police, so no surprise if they turn a blind eye to a lot of things to keep things as they are... All political parties are as bad as each other, this is the sharp intake of breath before the plunge, as we brace for higher taxes to beat off the (self inflicted) Recession. Those duped into Electric Cars now are finding out they will pay road tax on them, like the rest of us using Dinosaur Juice... it reminds me of the time we were all told to buy diesels in 2002 before they were bad, then told to buy petrol, now hybrids or electric. No one is mentioning the damage caused by Cobalt mining to get said batteries, or how we get rid of them when they're expired. I'm sure there will be another political scandal along in a minute if you've just missed one You've completely got it right on the money. The way I've had to tell people about the electric car stuff. It's all good that it doesn't emit anything however as you said what will they do when the battery life has expired and the way some are using lithium batteries. If not handled correctly it can cause more damage than the ICE cars can. Not to mention come 2025 they have to pay the congestion zone. For some that still haven't realised this. They will be in for a rude awakening come that time and it will be too late to do anything about it. All the Tesla owners will be kicking off soon... they never seem bothered that the electricity used to charge their smug-mobiles may come from a coal fired power station
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 19, 2022 2:40:08 GMT
Wonder what sort of mess led to Sunak appointing him into government. The party is finished. Your quotes are bunching like 349 buses It's clear that after 12 years, we've all seen more BS than a postman in Bristol sorting office Tories have run out of road, weakling Sunak surrounding himself with the sort of people you'd hate to meet on a Night Bus home from the West End it seems the more controversial or confrontational they are, the better. When I saw Sunak scramble to COP27 because he didn't want to be upstaged by Boris Johnson (after initially saying COP27 was a waste of time and he had more domestic issues to address), you saw another U turn, and the credibility take another hit. Boris' speech was a car crash, not as bad as the Peppa Pig one at CBI, but it was just hot air... I thought CO2 was a Colchester postcode before I met Boris Deluded, the lot of them. I only tune into Prime Ministers Questions for the LOLs now... desperate to cling to power like a 144 bus on Muswell Hill If Rishi Sunak loses the next General Election or is toppled within the next 5 years, he will be the youngest ex PM I shall ever have known. He will almost be younger than the buses on route 318.
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 19, 2022 6:55:03 GMT
Your quotes are bunching like 349 buses It's clear that after 12 years, we've all seen more BS than a postman in Bristol sorting office Tories have run out of road, weakling Sunak surrounding himself with the sort of people you'd hate to meet on a Night Bus home from the West End it seems the more controversial or confrontational they are, the better. When I saw Sunak scramble to COP27 because he didn't want to be upstaged by Boris Johnson (after initially saying COP27 was a waste of time and he had more domestic issues to address), you saw another U turn, and the credibility take another hit. Boris' speech was a car crash, not as bad as the Peppa Pig one at CBI, but it was just hot air... I thought CO2 was a Colchester postcode before I met Boris Deluded, the lot of them. I only tune into Prime Ministers Questions for the LOLs now... desperate to cling to power like a 144 bus on Muswell Hill If Rishi Sunak loses the next General Election or is toppled within the next 5 years, he will be the youngest ex PM I shall ever have known. He will almost be younger than the buses on route 318. I think he will be retained unless they lose the contract We need stability, this constant chop and change isn't good. From what I have read, the Chancellor is trying to re align the UK with EU to rejoin the single market after they realised leaving their biggest trade partner for absolutely sod all was a bad idea. All the so called deals with other parts of the world have turned out to be duff and the Recession (where they are covering the unemployed, the Pensioners and the rich who vote for them) might be the final straw as the economy shrinks like a snail going into its shell Back to back strikes in different industries shows the country is unhappy and if there's ever a riot there's not enough police to cope New "Civil War" erupts as Swiss style trade deal looms www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449227/New-Tory-Brexit-civil-war-ministers-warn-NOT-Swiss-style-ties.html
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Post by northlondon83 on Jan 29, 2023 16:58:25 GMT
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