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Post by galwhv69 on Nov 17, 2022 10:09:15 GMT
Not sure on allocations, but believe 720 has to be single decker due to a low bridge. This is from the latest route record I have : SINGLE DECK BUSES ONLY – LOW BRIDGE (14’ 3”) AT EASTBURY ROAD, BUSHEY, LOW TREES IN CARPENDERS PARK The odd thing with this bridge is that many years ago full height double deckers used to pass under it. LT / London Country routes 346 and 347 used Eastbury Road with their RTs and RMLs, and in fact this took place again with Routemasters during a running day eight years ago. Looking on Google Street View the bridge has been signed as 14ft 3 since at least 2008 (the large "Low bridge" writing is more recent however) so it was apparently overlooked at the time, though for a similar event the following year only single deckers ran that way. All this makes me wonder how long the bridge has been signed as such and why it was altered - I can only assume it was found that there wasn't enough of a margin? Not actually done that route yet, all I know is that when we've had it in recent times its been strictly single decker, guessing the risk isn't worth it |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2022 12:38:17 GMT
The odd thing with this bridge is that many years ago full height double deckers used to pass under it. LT / London Country routes 346 and 347 used Eastbury Road with their RTs and RMLs, and in fact this took place again with Routemasters during a running day eight years ago. Looking on Google Street View the bridge has been signed as 14ft 3 since at least 2008 (the large "Low bridge" writing is more recent however) so it was apparently overlooked at the time, though for a similar event the following year only single deckers ran that way. All this makes me wonder how long the bridge has been signed as such and why it was altered - I can only assume it was found that there wasn't enough of a margin? Not actually done that route yet, all I know is that when we've had it in recent times its been strictly single decker, guessing the risk isn't worth it Probably the same situation as Bedford Road at Clapham North - the bridge is the same height but double deckers are not to pass underneath on diversion |
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 17, 2022 16:22:20 GMT
Does that mean LNR will make an additional stop at Wembley Central during the week? Conveniently the new timetable has the off peak frequency of Harrow & Wealdstone stoppers double from 2tph to 4tph on Monday to Saturday. From December, LNWR will stop serving Wembley Central completely, as they’ll be running longer trains (12 cars) on services and it appears the 350’s aren’t fitted with SDO, so the stop has been dropped, which for me as been a god send over the years, but since Covid, LNWR silently dropped the Wembley stop on of the 2 tring stoppers during the day off peak and after the evening peak. Yes those 350s don’t have SDO. In the past, on 8-car services, only the front 4 coaches had their doors open. The 377s on southern services have SDO so opened the front 7 coaches on 8-car services |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 19, 2022 8:11:52 GMT
Does that mean LNR will make an additional stop at Wembley Central during the week? Conveniently the new timetable has the off peak frequency of Harrow & Wealdstone stoppers double from 2tph to 4tph on Monday to Saturday. From December, LNWR will stop serving Wembley Central completely, as they’ll be running longer trains (12 cars) on services and it appears the 350’s aren’t fitted with SDO, so the stop has been dropped, which for me as been a god send over the years, but since Covid, LNWR silently dropped the Wembley stop on of the 2 tring stoppers during the day off peak and after the evening peak. Some LNWR trains will stop additionally at Wembley Central whilst the Overground lines are closed. This stop will be removed again once the Overground service recommences. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 19, 2022 8:18:27 GMT
The entire London Overground line between London Euston and Watford Junction will close for a week, from Saturday 17th through to Friday 23rd December. The Bakerloo Line will also be suspended between Queen's Park and Harrow & Wealdstone. During the closure, around 6,000 wooden sleepers dating back to the 1950s will be replaced with concrete sleepers, and around 10km of signalling cable will also be replaced. The power supply to the Overground and Underground will be upgraded, as will the drainage between Harlesden and Kenton, and a derelict substation will be demolished to prevent it collapsing onto the tracks. During the closure, passengers will be advised to use National Rail services serving Watford Junction, Bushey, Harrow & Wealdstone, Wembley Central and London Euston; to use Underground services at Harrow-on-the-Hill, Northwick Park, Preston Road and Wembley Park, or use the following rail replacement bus services that will operate during the closure: Route 718: Queen's Park to Harrow & Wealdstone calling at Kensal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden (Town Centre), Stonebridge Park, Wembley Central, North Wembley, Preston Road, Kenton Route 719: Queen's Park to Harrow & Wealdstone calling at Kensal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden (Town Centre), Stonebridge Park, Wembley Central then fast (operates at certain times only). Route 720: Harrow & Wealdstone to Watford Junction calling at Headstone Lane, Hatch End (Harrow Arts Centre), Carpenders Park, Bushey, Watford High Street The line will also be closed from Saturday 11th through to Sunday 19th February 2023. Some extra info: Some London Northwestern Railway services will stop additionally at Wembley Central during the Overground closure. A reduced service will operate on the Bakerloo Line between Queen's Park and Elephant & Castle as there will be no access to and from Stonebridge Park Depot. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 19, 2022 9:38:26 GMT
Some extra info: A reduced service will operate on the Bakerloo Line between Queen's Park and Elephant & Castle as there will be no access to and from Stonebridge Park Depot. Running every 4min peak (2½-3) 18 trains (31); 5min off-peak (3½-4) 15 trains (24) |
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 19, 2022 16:55:25 GMT
The entire London Overground line between London Euston and Watford Junction will close for a week, from Saturday 17th through to Friday 23rd December. The Bakerloo Line will also be suspended between Queen's Park and Harrow & Wealdstone. During the closure, around 6,000 wooden sleepers dating back to the 1950s will be replaced with concrete sleepers, and around 10km of signalling cable will also be replaced. The power supply to the Overground and Underground will be upgraded, as will the drainage between Harlesden and Kenton, and a derelict substation will be demolished to prevent it collapsing onto the tracks. During the closure, passengers will be advised to use National Rail services serving Watford Junction, Bushey, Harrow & Wealdstone, Wembley Central and London Euston; to use Underground services at Harrow-on-the-Hill, Northwick Park, Preston Road and Wembley Park, or use the following rail replacement bus services that will operate during the closure: Route 718: Queen's Park to Harrow & Wealdstone calling at Kensal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden (Town Centre), Stonebridge Park, Wembley Central, North Wembley, Preston Road, Kenton Route 719: Queen's Park to Harrow & Wealdstone calling at Kensal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden (Town Centre), Stonebridge Park, Wembley Central then fast (operates at certain times only). Route 720: Harrow & Wealdstone to Watford Junction calling at Headstone Lane, Hatch End (Harrow Arts Centre), Carpenders Park, Bushey, Watford High Street The line will also be closed from Saturday 11th through to Sunday 19th February 2023. Apparently the 719 will only run during weekend daytimes all stations up to Wembley Central then to Wembley Park |
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Post by richard on Nov 23, 2022 0:05:08 GMT
www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/major-bakerloo-and-london-overground-upgrades-this-decemberThe improvements in December will include: Installing 6,000 modern concrete sleepers in place of wooden ones dating back to the 1950s Upgrading 1.6km of railway drainage between Harlesden and Kenton to prevent future flooding Replacing 10km of cabling for signals – traffic lights for trains Improvements to 5 stations north of Queen’s Park* Station makeovers will include platform resurfacing and roof canopy maintenance Upgrading the power supply for Underground and Overground trains Demolition of a derelict, railway-locked electricity substation in danger of collapse
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 17, 2022 10:38:33 GMT
Replacement routes 718/719/720 don't seem to be tracking yet
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Post by vjaska on Dec 17, 2022 11:42:05 GMT
Dumb question but I’ll ask it anyway - do you have to pay to board these routes or are they just waving people on board?
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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 17, 2022 11:57:16 GMT
Dumb question but I’ll ask it anyway - do you have to pay to board these routes or are they just waving people on board? Standard bus fares (£1.65) in operation, drivers have been reminded that they must log in to their ETM's when starting their duty |
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