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Post by COBO on Mar 10, 2023 8:15:30 GMT
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 10, 2023 8:26:28 GMT
Of course! Jumping a red light is illegal and dangerous! Even if he didn't, far too many incidents like this take place on the buses. Every case should be treated fairly though, and if he didn't cross a red light then he should have been given a disciplinary warning. I'd say after 2 or 3 times especially within a short space of time would merit the sack. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 10, 2023 8:28:26 GMT
I think it's really a private matter between the driver and his employers although he'll probably get a job at NP!
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 10, 2023 8:55:57 GMT
Indefensible.
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Post by WH241 on Mar 10, 2023 9:51:40 GMT
Seems a case of several incidents building up to the sacking.
Not sure why the newspaper felt the need to publish the story. They were hardly a model employee unfairly dismissed.
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Post by redbus on Mar 10, 2023 11:30:20 GMT
If a bus driver drives in an unsafe manner, which arguably running a red light deliberately is, it is a disciplinary matter. Likewise, stopping the bus and leaving it with passengers aboard simply to get a coffee is also arguably a disciplinary matter. There maybe extenuating circumstances or things about the incident we don't know, but that should be considered fairly as part of the disciplinary matter.
In this case we only know what is in the newspaper article, but it seems that the employment tribunal to which the driver appealed did not think he had been sacked unfairly. There maybe more to this story on both sides than has been published in the newspaper article.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 10, 2023 11:53:57 GMT
If a bus driver drives in an unsafe manner, which arguably running a red light deliberately is, it is a disciplinary matter. Likewise, stopping the bus and leaving it with passengers aboard simply to get a coffee is also arguably a disciplinary matter. There maybe extenuating circumstances or things about the incident we don't know, but that should be considered fairly as part of the disciplinary matter. In this case we only know what is in the newspaper article, but it seems that the employment tribunal to which the driver appealed did not think he had been sacked unfairly. There maybe more to this story on both sides than has been published in the newspaper article. Not judging anything here other than the red light. I believe it is more than probable there is a bullying culture of drivers by controllers in some instances. You always get bad apples in any company of a decent size. So possible for this driver. It might be a shop he is known, so knew he could use the toilet, if they made him a coffee to take away, what harm? |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 10, 2023 12:18:40 GMT
Reading it, direct link without the facebook, "who ha" below www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/london-bus-driver-who-left-29420337?fbclid=IwAR01_ixMKFx59IrAlZxMQPXRqqqZen08u3JH0LzHhe_uA7ygVH6Bs3499moIMO, the driver deserved to get fired. If he just took over the bus then got to Seven Sisters and did that, he is taking the pee literally, that is 2 stops down the road. The fact he was late to takeover the bus, shows he did not care about his colleague he was taking over either. Nothing wrong with going toilet mid-route (which I do not believe he did) but went for the coffee itself. Not switching the engine off, gives easier access for anyone to jump in the cab and go for a joy-ride. The fact the driver was already on disciplinary cautions prior to this speaks volumes. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 10, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
Seems a case of several incidents building up to the sacking. Not sure why the newspaper felt the need to publish the story. They were hardly a model employee unfairly dismissed. Because they probably think most drivers do this kind of stuff. You would now then get a barrage of complaints from the public now when drivers stops the bus and leave it unattended. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 10, 2023 12:24:07 GMT
If a bus driver drives in an unsafe manner, which arguably running a red light deliberately is, it is a disciplinary matter. Likewise, stopping the bus and leaving it with passengers aboard simply to get a coffee is also arguably a disciplinary matter. There maybe extenuating circumstances or things about the incident we don't know, but that should be considered fairly as part of the disciplinary matter. In this case we only know what is in the newspaper article, but it seems that the employment tribunal to which the driver appealed did not think he had been sacked unfairly. There maybe more to this story on both sides than has been published in the newspaper article. Not judging anything here other than the red light. I believe it is more than probable there is a bullying culture of drivers by controllers in some instances. You always get bad apples in any company of a decent size. So possible for this driver. It might be a shop he is known, so knew he could use the toilet, if they made him a coffee to take away, what harm? You would not be saying the same if he had run over someone. Likely he would have been drinking he coffee whilst driving. Reading the letter as well when driving a PCV with other passengers, going 2 stops down the road to do this, shows the only person this driver thinks about is himelf. I do not see anything wrong what the controller did. I am sure if it was you waiting for a bus at Stamford Hill to go Clerkenwell, the one in front broke down, then this driver is just messing around, then practically goes home, when asked a basic question, you would not be pleased. Typical bad apple that gives bus drivers a bad name |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 10, 2023 12:49:33 GMT
Jumping a red light, yes unless it was medical episode (haven’t read the article before anyone jumps on me) but I don’t follow this notion of being sacked of going to get a coffee - this wasn’t uncommon back in the day particularly on the 2 where a couple of stops before the garage, drivers would pop into a particular cafe for the loo/coffee or change |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 10, 2023 16:53:24 GMT
Jumping a red light, yes unless it was medical episode (haven’t read the article before anyone jumps on me) but I don’t follow this notion of being sacked of going to get a coffee - this wasn’t uncommon back in the day particularly on the 2 where a couple of stops before the garage, drivers would pop into a particular cafe for the loo/coffee or change I don't think it's him having a coffee or going to the loo which is the issue, it's more the fact that he jumped a red light, and also appeared to work with a bad attitude and didn't care about his job. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 10, 2023 17:50:28 GMT
Reading the article again what on earth was the driving thinking reading the letter whilst driving a bus?
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Mar 23, 2023 19:16:12 GMT
There was an occasion a couple of years back on a bus I was on where a driver parked at the bus stand mid-route to use the toilet provided at a stand.
Another time a driver ordered a Chinese take-away where one of the staff waited outside the bus stop and the driver collected his food, also mid-route.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 23, 2023 19:18:58 GMT
There was an occasion a couple of years back on a bus I was on where a driver parked at the bus stand mid-route to use the toilet provided at a stand. Another time a driver ordered a Chinese take-away where one of the staff waited outside the bus stop and the driver collected his food, also mid-route. If you've gotta go you've gotta go and I suppose collecting a takeaway is ok if it's brought out to the bus. |
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