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Post by Paul on Apr 19, 2024 13:59:08 GMT
In that case, seeing as we aren't believing Khan anymore. Why should we believe Hall who is part of a party that's told even worse lies? I don’t particularly have much faith in her either but Khan has proved he has no desire to fight crime and nothing will change if he gets back in - anyone who thinks it will is crazy Where is Hall's plan? I've just looked on Google and found no manifesto, just a "plan" which essentially says little more than Khan bad, ULEZ bad, when we want to know what she'll do to take London forward If you saw the ‘plan’ then you’ll see that there are plans for the manifesto to be published. Frankly, it’ll just be more bullshit just like Khan’s. I have such little faith in either candidate but cannot stomach more of what we’ve had in the past eight years or so
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Post by TB123 on Apr 19, 2024 14:09:11 GMT
In that case, seeing as we aren't believing Khan anymore. Why should we believe Hall who is part of a party that's told even worse lies? I don’t particularly have much faith in her either but Khan has proved he has no desire to fight crime and nothing will change if he gets back in - anyone who thinks it will is crazy Where is Hall's plan? I've just looked on Google and found no manifesto, just a "plan" which essentially says little more than Khan bad, ULEZ bad, when we want to know what she'll do to take London forward If you saw the ‘plan’ then you’ll see that there are plans for the manifesto to be published. Frankly, it’ll just be more bullshit just like Khan’s. I have such little faith in either candidate but cannot stomach more of what we’ve had in the past eight years or so Barely 13 days to go and still no manifesto? People have started voting already by post! Deadly serious candidate....🤦
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Post by Paul on Apr 19, 2024 14:11:54 GMT
I don’t particularly have much faith in her either but Khan has proved he has no desire to fight crime and nothing will change if he gets back in - anyone who thinks it will is crazy If you saw the ‘plan’ then you’ll see that there are plans for the manifesto to be published. Frankly, it’ll just be more bullshit just like Khan’s. I have such little faith in either candidate but cannot stomach more of what we’ve had in the past eight years or so Barely 13 days to go and still no manifesto? People have started voting already by post! Deadly serious candidate....🤦 I didn’t say it was right - like I said, I don’t have much faith in her either. London deserve far, far better than either of the two candidates from the main parties
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 19, 2024 14:13:23 GMT
The Richmond - Roehampton- Wimbledon route will be interesting, I doubt the 493 will survive intact. The 493 will continue to serve Southfields Station and the entire area which I can’t imagine a double deck express bus wasting time in, and there are a large number of stops in between Richmond and Roehampton which the route can’t stop at. I can see the 493 being shortened to a Wimbledon - Southfields - Roehampton route which would be more reliable to run and which would free up stand space in Richmond which is very scare. Much if the demand along Sheen Road and Upper Richmond Road could be covered by enhancements to the 33 or 337 if required. I’m not sure how much demand there is for the round the corner section from Sheen to Roehampton and even then how much of that would not be covered by a Superloop service calling at the busiest stops on Sheen Road and Upper Richmond Road.
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Post by B9TL205 on Apr 19, 2024 14:25:19 GMT
The Stratford to Barnet route would be painful long even as an express route! The Leytonstone route will basically be an express 66 which is not very express because of congestion on the A12. I think its separate, if you look closer its Barnet - Chingford and Chingford - Statford. The same yellow colour just made it confusing
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Post by LK65EBO on Apr 19, 2024 14:29:12 GMT
Do wonder if the current H91 will continue to operate as normal or will this be rebranded as a Superloop. Could remove most stops between Chiswick Roundabout and Hammersmith as you do have 267, 237 and 110 to help. A small handful of stops along the Great West Road could also be removed too.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 19, 2024 14:30:37 GMT
The Stratford to Barnet route would be painful long even as an express route! The Leytonstone route will basically be an express 66 which is not very express because of congestion on the A12. I think its separate, if you look closer its Barnet - Chingford and Chingford - Statford. The same yellow colour just made it confusing So basically an express 97 to Chingford which won’t be very express because of the traffic hotspots it will encounter.
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Post by abellion on Apr 19, 2024 14:36:14 GMT
The 493 will continue to serve Southfields Station and the entire area which I can’t imagine a double deck express bus wasting time in, and there are a large number of stops in between Richmond and Roehampton which the route can’t stop at. I can see the 493 being shortened to a Wimbledon - Southfields - Roehampton route which would be more reliable to run and which would free up stand space in Richmond which is very scare. Much if the demand along Sheen Road and Upper Richmond Road could be covered by enhancements to the 33 or 337 if required. I’m not sure how much demand there is for the round the corner section from Sheen to Roehampton and even then how much of that would not be covered by a Superloop service calling at the busiest stops on Sheen Road and Upper Richmond Road. Maybe Barnes Common to keep serving the hospital and university. As long as its replaced adequately I'd love to see the 493 get cut back and be more reliable, I just wasn't entirely sure if cutting it entirely from Richmond is too drastic.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2024 15:47:39 GMT
Could the whole Khan/Hall debate be put into the Mayor thread instead so the rest of us can discuss the Superloop stuff instead please?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2024 15:54:25 GMT
Let’s get this right - I’ve consistently said that Superloop isn’t what Inner London needs and that it would work better in Outer London and that what Inner London needs is improvements to the existing network and reversals of cuts. So I’ve been very consistent on my position What improvements does inner London need to its existing network? Frequency increase or capacity boosts to routes like the 37 & 322 would be an excellent start, throw in some more east to west non Superloop links that South London in particular have been crying out for given it's lack of tube coverage and iffy rail service. Removal of 20mph limits and the traffic planners actively reducing congestion down significant levels rather than shoving all traffic onto already congested main roads would be a further boost. We know Khan can do this with councils because since the Streatham LTN was postponed, traffic congestion has pretty much returned back to pre LTN levels - postpone the rest of them London wide and instead, develop a more robust scheme that reduces congestion without bottle necking main roads and that doesn't penalise the percentage of people who do actually need a car for legitimate purposes like particular jobs.
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Post by PGAT on Apr 19, 2024 15:54:47 GMT
Cutting the SL7 and extending the SL5 at Sutton does seem a bit curious. I get how they are the longest and shortest routes respectively by quite a large factor, but something makes me think this isnt quite right; surely Croydon, Wallington and Carshalton have already established links to places like Heathrow Airport and Kingston? And then what about the SL5? Right now its a short and sweet route but extending it would wreck its reliability and completely overload the service unless those trees are cut down
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2024 16:21:48 GMT
Cutting the SL7 and extending the SL5 at Sutton does seem a bit curious. I get how they are the longest and shortest routes respectively by quite a large factor, but something makes me think this isnt quite right; surely Croydon, Wallington and Carshalton have already established links to places like Heathrow Airport and Kingston? And then what about the SL5? Right now its a short and sweet route but extending it would wreck its reliability and completely overload the service unless those trees are cut down There is a rumored consultation coming for Carshalton and this amendment on this new map (which does say draft I might add) may simply fuel that even more. What makes me think it's a legitimate proposal is that this could be there way of answering the excess capacity point someone mentioned (I'm not fully convinced there is one) as the SL5 is single decker operated as well as making the SL7 that bit more reliable. The Croydon to Sutton shouldn't wreck the SL5 - Croydon really is the only part where you'll meet traffic on the Croydon to Sutton part and I don't really see the service being any more overloaded than it already is - the trees probably won't be cut so hopefully longer single deckers are introduced to mitigate that.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 19, 2024 16:38:39 GMT
Cutting the SL7 and extending the SL5 at Sutton does seem a bit curious. I get how they are the longest and shortest routes respectively by quite a large factor, but something makes me think this isnt quite right; surely Croydon, Wallington and Carshalton have already established links to places like Heathrow Airport and Kingston? And then what about the SL5? Right now its a short and sweet route but extending it would wreck its reliability and completely overload the service unless those trees are cut down There is a rumored consultation coming for Carshalton and this amendment on this new map (which does say draft I might add) may simply fuel that even more. What makes me think it's a legitimate proposal is that this could be there way of answering the excess capacity point someone mentioned (I'm not fully convinced there is one) as the SL5 is single decker operated as well as making the SL7 that bit more reliable. The Croydon to Sutton shouldn't wreck the SL5 - Croydon really is the only part where you'll meet traffic on the Croydon to Sutton part and I don't really see the service being any more overloaded than it already is - the trees probably won't be cut so hopefully longer single deckers are introduced to mitigate that. The SL5 is also more frequent than the SL7 (could be made even more frequent given how busy Bromley to Croydon already is). Therefore you would get close enough to the current level of service even if it didn’t receive DDs. Not to say I wouldn’t support a decker conversion though!
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 19, 2024 17:55:54 GMT
I think its separate, if you look closer its Barnet - Chingford and Chingford - Statford. The same yellow colour just made it confusing So basically an express 97 to Chingford which won’t be very express because of the traffic hotspots it will encounter. Yes, you are right! The circle at Chingford is broken, so two different routes. The colour choices are unfortunate then. I presume there must have been some text to go with the map in a press release, wonder what it said or if whoever wrote the political press release didn’t understand the nuance of the map they were provided with. Presumably the map must have been produced by TfL even if it was then used by Khan’s team as part of a political press release.
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Post by route53 on Apr 19, 2024 18:14:02 GMT
And still no X53….😔😢
This Thamesmead to NG route is utterly overkill, between Woolwich & NG there already 3 routes that covers this corridor; the 161, 472 & 180, the last route didn’t need to be changed that drastically but I’ve made my feelings on the 180 more than clear.
One route has to go, you don’t need 4 routes over this corridor, you don’t even need 3 in the age of the Elizabeth line at Woolwich which has taken away demand for NG.
Khan/TfL seem to have forgotten the whole original point of the 472’s existence in the first place, it replaced both the 272/X72 routes while taking a faster route between Thamesmead and Woolwich by avoiding Abbey Wood, Bostall Hill & Plumstead High Street which the old 272 route took.
The Eltham to Streatham route, honestly don’t see how this can work, it would have to use the South Circular for at least some of it’s journey if not alot of it, and that road is notoriously congested at the best of times, personally I’d have a Thamesmead-Woolwich-Blackheath Sun Sands-Westhorne-Catford-Sydenham-Crystal Palace-Streatham route, this would be an express route for the 54, 122 & 202 routes, all three routes are busy and could do with some relief without any alterations to their existing routes, what I’d do instead is have a Orpington to Streatham route that would roughly cover the 227/358 routes.
The “Bakerloop” bus, my thoughts on that is that TfL are basically kicking the rusted tin can that is the Bakerloo extension, further down the road to the 2040s/2050s, what was supposed to be a “temporary” fix suddenly becomes a permanent solution if you catch my drift.
Not sure how successful a Wimbledon to Richmond route would be seeing as the train takes less than 35 minutes to traverse that corridor.
All in all, a desperate vote grab by Khan.
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