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Post by southlondon413 on May 21, 2024 8:09:42 GMT
I'm not sure if that would work either, the SL2 is already turns galore every evening, so if buses start running to time they'd end up being turned in their masses as each bus would need to keep to it's time and if it doesn't you need to do anything to restore that. That is the tricky part of the SL2 that many are trying to figure out how to ensure that bus is running effectively. Walthamstow to Ilford is relatively fine. It's south of Ilford onwards that's where it's really problematic. Ilford Lane = I think myself and many people on here have explained the issue with that road, Barking Station itself is not the issue it's trying to get it to serve Barking and the town centre. Then when it's on the NCR, one would ask would it be feasible to have it divert via the 325 and 366 to bypass the traffic as I know the 366 around the early to mid 2000s would always get stuck on the NCR. It was that bad that half of them would turn at SavaCentre (Sainsbury's to the younger folk on here). Then having it divert into the Shopping Park in Gallions Reach. Someone did suggest that on here. I personally think it is a good idea to do but it's a question as to how much time would it add on. Decisions Decisions ay Off topic but I used to love a Savacentre. The one in Merton Abbey was great, so much crap under one roof. Was a great shame Sainsbury’s dropped the brand.
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Post by mkay315 on May 21, 2024 8:27:57 GMT
That is the tricky part of the SL2 that many are trying to figure out how to ensure that bus is running effectively. Walthamstow to Ilford is relatively fine. It's south of Ilford onwards that's where it's really problematic. Ilford Lane = I think myself and many people on here have explained the issue with that road, Barking Station itself is not the issue it's trying to get it to serve Barking and the town centre. Then when it's on the NCR, one would ask would it be feasible to have it divert via the 325 and 366 to bypass the traffic as I know the 366 around the early to mid 2000s would always get stuck on the NCR. It was that bad that half of them would turn at SavaCentre (Sainsbury's to the younger folk on here). Then having it divert into the Shopping Park in Gallions Reach. Someone did suggest that on here. I personally think it is a good idea to do but it's a question as to how much time would it add on. Decisions Decisions ay Off topic but I used to love a Savacentre. The one in Merton Abbey was great, so much crap under one roof. Was a great shame Sainsbury’s dropped the brand. Good times good times 😂. I've been to that one a few times and it is massive in there. With AL right opposite it.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 21, 2024 8:35:15 GMT
Headway controlling I think should be completely scrapped on Express routes. In addition bus stands are overloaded so constant need for over regulating is highly annoying. Any driver changeovers should really take two minutes it’s highly annoying taking over from someone who is slow to get out of the bus. I hope they do change the timetable for the SL2 from headway to time come renewal. They just need to change the timetable. SL2/SL10 have inflated timetables that are helpful when there is disruption but this may only occur on say 20% of the days journeys or even less for SL10, and yet we are faced with slow journeys on the rest of the 80%. I think I mentioned before a SL10 driver showed me his duty card and explained why he was holding so much. He was told to stick to the timetable, a timetable which had us doing Hendon to Harrow in 34 minutes or so and the 183 doing in 30 with an extra 20 stops or so. So the timetables need to be adjusted quicker. Any other assessment that would involve improving the express element may be seen as TfL encouraging speeding and increasing safety risk. So for example, bonus for journeys under X time or something will just not happen. One thing they could do is prevent regulation on express routes. If a X buses are at a stop for more than 3 minutes in a day, then there is a fine or something. This may also help speedy driver changes. I think maybe split assessments. A different assessment during the peak times (milage with inflated timetable) and another during the off peak (headway with reduced running time).
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 21, 2024 18:51:15 GMT
I hope they do change the timetable for the SL2 from headway to time come renewal. They just need to change the timetable. SL2/SL10 have inflated timetables that are helpful when there is disruption but this may only occur on say 20% of the days journeys or even less for SL10, and yet we are faced with slow journeys on the rest of the 80%. I think I mentioned before a SL10 driver showed me his duty card and explained why he was holding so much. He was told to stick to the timetable, a timetable which had us doing Hendon to Harrow in 34 minutes or so and the 183 doing in 30 with an extra 20 stops or so. So the timetables need to be adjusted quicker. Any other assessment that would involve improving the express element may be seen as TfL encouraging speeding and increasing safety risk. So for example, bonus for journeys under X time or something will just not happen. One thing they could do is prevent regulation on express routes. If a X buses are at a stop for more than 3 minutes in a day, then there is a fine or something. This may also help speedy driver changes. I think maybe split assessments. A different assessment during the peak times (milage with inflated timetable) and another during the off peak (headway with reduced running time). TfL could also fork out some money to get the driver changeovers to occur at the termini.
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Post by WH241 on May 21, 2024 19:20:12 GMT
I'm not sure if that would work either, the SL2 is already turns galore every evening, so if buses start running to time they'd end up being turned in their masses as each bus would need to keep to it's time and if it doesn't you need to do anything to restore that. That is the tricky part of the SL2 that many are trying to figure out how to ensure that bus is running effectively. Walthamstow to Ilford is relatively fine. It's south of Ilford onwards that's where it's really problematic. Ilford Lane = I think myself and many people on here have explained the issue with that road, Barking Station itself is not the issue it's trying to get it to serve Barking and the town centre. Then when it's on the NCR, one would ask would it be feasible to have it divert via the 325 and 366 to bypass the traffic as I know the 366 around the early to mid 2000s would always get stuck on the NCR. It was that bad that half of them would turn at SavaCentre (Sainsbury's to the younger folk on here). Then having it divert into the Shopping Park in Gallions Reach. Someone did suggest that on here. I personally think it is a good idea to do but it's a question as to how much time would it add on. Decisions Decisions ay I have always been keen for the SL2 to divert into Galliions Reach but sadly don't think it will happen and would probably add a bus or two to the PVR! I imagine it would prove popular with passengers from Ilford / Barking.
Going back to Ilford Lane I wonder if they should conduct some longer term trials of using alternative routes to get a better idea of which route provides the quickest journey time. I am disappointment that the traffic issue seems to be back on the A1020 at Claps Gate Lane as I thought they might have solved the traffic light phasing issue.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2024 19:40:15 GMT
That is the tricky part of the SL2 that many are trying to figure out how to ensure that bus is running effectively. Walthamstow to Ilford is relatively fine. It's south of Ilford onwards that's where it's really problematic. Ilford Lane = I think myself and many people on here have explained the issue with that road, Barking Station itself is not the issue it's trying to get it to serve Barking and the town centre. Then when it's on the NCR, one would ask would it be feasible to have it divert via the 325 and 366 to bypass the traffic as I know the 366 around the early to mid 2000s would always get stuck on the NCR. It was that bad that half of them would turn at SavaCentre (Sainsbury's to the younger folk on here). Then having it divert into the Shopping Park in Gallions Reach. Someone did suggest that on here. I personally think it is a good idea to do but it's a question as to how much time would it add on. Decisions Decisions ay I have always been keen for the SL2 to divert into Galliions Reach but sadly don't think it will happen and would probably add a bus or two to the PVR! I imagine it would prove popular with passengers from Ilford / Barking.
Going back to Ilford Lane I wonder if they should conduct some longer term trials of using alternative routes to get a better idea of which route provides the quickest journey time. I am disappointment that the traffic issue seems to be back on the A1020 at Claps Gate Lane as I thought they might have solved the traffic light phasing issue.
The traffic light phasing isn't actually the issue there any more than any other set of lights are. The lights that let the traffic out of Beckton Triangle seemingly spend more time on green but that's only because the southbound traffic gets allowed to make the right turn into the retail park which means the northbound traffic has to stop. While this happens the traffic coming out of Beckton Triangle allows cars to make the left turn as the northbound traffic is blocked. Traffic then has to continue remaining blocked as traffic turning right at the retail park then gets the go ahead while traffic turning left continues to have its green light before both then turn red together. The bottom line on that road is simply the sheer volume of traffic, which will probably get worse once the Blackwall tunnel is tolled and the road itself should probably be a three lane road all the way from the Gallions Reach roundabout to the Beckton roundabout The issue with Ilford Lane happened in 2009/2010 when the road was narrowed to improve the experience for the buses, but in the process made it worse for cars. I think the impression would have been that it would get people out of cars but all it did was cause a load of traffic and released untapped demand for buses instead without actually taking people out of cars.
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Post by ronnie on May 21, 2024 20:03:05 GMT
I have always been keen for the SL2 to divert into Galliions Reach but sadly don't think it will happen and would probably add a bus or two to the PVR! I imagine it would prove popular with passengers from Ilford / Barking.
Going back to Ilford Lane I wonder if they should conduct some longer term trials of using alternative routes to get a better idea of which route provides the quickest journey time. I am disappointment that the traffic issue seems to be back on the A1020 at Claps Gate Lane as I thought they might have solved the traffic light phasing issue.
The traffic light phasing isn't actually the issue there any more than any other set of lights are. The lights that let the traffic out of Beckton Triangle seemingly spend more time on green but that's only because the southbound traffic gets allowed to make the right turn into the retail park which means the northbound traffic has to stop. While this happens the traffic coming out of Beckton Triangle allows cars to make the left turn as the northbound traffic is blocked. Traffic then has to continue remaining blocked as traffic turning right at the retail park then gets the go ahead while traffic turning left continues to have its green light before both then turn red together. The bottom line on that road is simply the sheer volume of traffic, which will probably get worse once the Blackwall tunnel is tolled and the road itself should probably be a three lane road all the way from the Gallions Reach roundabout to the Beckton roundabout The issue with Ilford Lane happened in 2009/2010 when the road was narrowed to improve the experience for the buses, but in the process made it worse for cars. I think the impression would have been that it would get people out of cars but all it did was cause a load of traffic and released untapped demand for buses instead without actually taking people out of cars. Outside in view but I would think that using the 325/366 route between A406/barking exit and Gallions reach roundabout would be a wise thing to do, especially when one of A13/A406 have gone bonkers (which happens more often than not). A similar example is the 132 using the 335 LOR whenever the A102 goes haywire (which happens every morning, I have seen buses diverting even before 7am on weekdays!). Think that should solve problems at least partially - the southbound approach on the A406 to the beckton roundabout is probably one of the worst stretches as the tailback can easily stretch for miles
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2024 20:33:41 GMT
The traffic light phasing isn't actually the issue there any more than any other set of lights are. The lights that let the traffic out of Beckton Triangle seemingly spend more time on green but that's only because the southbound traffic gets allowed to make the right turn into the retail park which means the northbound traffic has to stop. While this happens the traffic coming out of Beckton Triangle allows cars to make the left turn as the northbound traffic is blocked. Traffic then has to continue remaining blocked as traffic turning right at the retail park then gets the go ahead while traffic turning left continues to have its green light before both then turn red together. The bottom line on that road is simply the sheer volume of traffic, which will probably get worse once the Blackwall tunnel is tolled and the road itself should probably be a three lane road all the way from the Gallions Reach roundabout to the Beckton roundabout The issue with Ilford Lane happened in 2009/2010 when the road was narrowed to improve the experience for the buses, but in the process made it worse for cars. I think the impression would have been that it would get people out of cars but all it did was cause a load of traffic and released untapped demand for buses instead without actually taking people out of cars. Outside in view but I would think that using the 325/366 route between A406/barking exit and Gallions reach roundabout would be a wise thing to do, especially when one of A13/A406 have gone bonkers (which happens more often than not). A similar example is the 132 using the 335 LOR whenever the A102 goes haywire (which happens every morning, I have seen buses diverting even before 7am on weekdays!). Think that should solve problems at least partially - the southbound approach on the A406 to the beckton roundabout is probably one of the worst stretches as the tailback can easily stretch for miles Yep, would be a wise thing to do. But also not possible to do northbound without going into Beckton triangle and U turning at the roundabout by Sainsbury's as the right turn from the North Circular onto Eric Clarke Lane is banned and probably realistically can't be lifted without causing a huge traffic mess.
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Post by busoccultation on May 21, 2024 21:22:01 GMT
I have always been keen for the SL2 to divert into Galliions Reach but sadly don't think it will happen and would probably add a bus or two to the PVR! I imagine it would prove popular with passengers from Ilford / Barking. Going back to Ilford Lane I wonder if they should conduct some longer term trials of using alternative routes to get a better idea of which route provides the quickest journey time. I am disappointment that the traffic issue seems to be back on the A1020 at Claps Gate Lane as I thought they might have solved the traffic light phasing issue.
I think Arriva did try out send the SL2 via Faircross and Green Lane on a one Saturday afternoon to see if it could be quicker than going via Ilford Lane and it turned out to be much slower than going via Ilford Lane obviously due to the longer routing and also was getting stuck along Winston Way and Green Lane on that day.
Green Lane between Winston Way Primary School & South Park Drive & sometimes beyond for the 128/150 does sometimes have a fair share of traffic issues especially where the bit it gets narrow for buses to pass through at times. From my experience that part of Green Lane is where the 128/150 lose time due to traffic or other reasons the most, sometimes I do feel like I'm waiting ages at Ilford Town Centre for 128, 145 or 150 to turn up towards Cranbrook Road direction and there are other times it can get through pretty quickly.
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Post by MMS2001 on May 26, 2024 17:07:01 GMT
SL2 probably suffering the most today since it's introduction. There's a bus currently running 174 minutes late
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Post by WH241 on May 26, 2024 17:08:23 GMT
The two stops at Gallions Reach for the SL2 have been closed again. They have bus stop closed hoods over the stops.
Have this stops ever officially opened? I know it was suggested someone removed one of the hoods not long after the route started.
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Post by WH241 on May 26, 2024 17:10:22 GMT
SL2 probably suffering the most today since it's introduction. There's a bus currently running 174 minutes late The A1020 was awful! The 366 must have fallen to bits as well! I think today should have been the exception when they either pulled all buses back to Barking or at least every other one.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 26, 2024 17:26:02 GMT
SL2 probably suffering the most today since it's introduction. There's a bus currently running 174 minutes late It was destined to be a bad day when a SL2 left the South Grove stand heading towards Walthamstow for the 6:45am departure only to mysteriously park up at Selborne Road stop for 15 minutes and arrive at Walthamstow bus station at 7am. To make things even odd, the next SL2 (due 7am) also came out at the same time and both followed each other towards North Woolwich. The two stops at Gallions Reach for the SL2 have been closed again. They have bus stop closed hoods over the stops. Have this stops ever officially opened? I know it was suggested someone removed one of the hoods not long after the route started. Don't think they have ever been open officially. I think even the ibus "*" that was there has been tidied up and no longer displays over that section. At this point I dont think they will be open anytime soon. Hopefully, there is some clarity over that stop in the SuperLoop paper.
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Post by MMS2001 on May 26, 2024 22:14:35 GMT
The two stops at Gallions Reach for the SL2 have been closed again. They have bus stop closed hoods over the stops. Have this stops ever officially opened? I know it was suggested someone removed one of the hoods not long after the route started. Don't think they have ever been open officially. I think even the ibus "*" that was there has been tidied up and no longer displays over that section. At this point I dont think they will be open anytime soon. Hopefully, there is some clarity over that stop in the SuperLoop paper. It still displays with the "*" and as a result doesn't announce the Barking Town Center bus stop until buses are practically beside the stop. In regards to the Amarda Way bus stops, I believe they were closed when the route was introduced and then a few weeks later the yellow hoods were removed. This might have been an error as they were quickly replaced (I I believe it was the next day) and have remained closed since. I'm not sure what the holdup is on opening them as they could be useful stops. I have seen a few drivers stopping there and let people off which doesn't help the cause and just creates confusion for passengers.
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Post by ronnie on May 27, 2024 8:10:34 GMT
SL2 probably suffering the most today since it's introduction. There's a bus currently running 174 minutes late The A1020 was awful! The 366 must have fallen to bits as well! I think today should have been the exception when they either pulled all buses back to Barking or at least every other one. To be fair with Ride London I am surprised the route survived the day
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