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Post by WH241 on May 27, 2024 8:49:50 GMT
Don't think they have ever been open officially. I think even the ibus "*" that was there has been tidied up and no longer displays over that section. At this point I dont think they will be open anytime soon. Hopefully, there is some clarity over that stop in the SuperLoop paper. It still displays with the "*" and as a result doesn't announce the Barking Town Center bus stop until buses are practically beside the stop. In regards to the Amarda Way bus stops, I believe they were closed when the route was introduced and then a few weeks later the yellow hoods were removed. This might have been an error as they were quickly replaced (I I believe it was the next day) and have remained closed since. I'm not sure what the holdup is on opening them as they could be useful stops. I have seen a few drivers stopping there and let people off which doesn't help the cause and just creates confusion for passengers. I could be wrong but I could have swore the hoods were removed for several weeks recently but perhaps I just noticed buses stopping unofficially.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 2, 2024 10:12:40 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 2, 2024 10:25:46 GMT
Cue two more pages of re-hashed arguments about what the numbers really should have been ...... At least there's a logic to starting at North Finchley (as closest to due North geographically, so 12 o'clock) and working clockwise.
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Post by VMH2537 on Jun 2, 2024 10:30:46 GMT
I do wonder if they could use the same logic for Superloop 2, perhaps starting and ending at Barnet?
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 2, 2024 10:47:15 GMT
I would say the numbering for the Superloop routes are no different to the Yellow Badge suburban sectors for Black cab drivers which are based on local boroughs that only enables them to take fares from those individual sectors they are licensed to operate in. Sector 1 covers Enfield, Haringey and Waltham Forest where most of the SL1 route goes through Enfield and Waltham Forest, while Haringey isn't too far off the SL1 line of route.
Sector 2 covers Barking & Dagenham, Havering, Newham and Redbridge, all except Havering are served by the SL2. Sector 3 covers Bexley, Greenwich and Lewisham, the SL3 route north of the A20 is under Bexley and a little bit of Greenwich around the Thamesmead area. Sector 4 exclusively covers Bromley, which for now is in the middle number for the SL3 & SL5 routes where they both meet at Bromley North. Sector 5 exclusively covers Croydon, that has the SL5 traversing through the borough. Sector 6 covers Merton and Sutton, this one is an anomaly as the SL6 doesn't go through either of those boroughs. Sector 7 covers Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond. SL7 has stops in Kingston and Richmond boroughs and passes through Hounslow on its long nonstop section between Teddington & Hatton Cross. Sector 8 covers Ealing and Hillingdon, where most of the SL8 route is along those two boroughs with SL9 also serving those two boroughs as well. Sector 9 covers Barnet, Brent and Harrow, SL9 goes into Harrow and the SL10 goes through all 3 of those boroughs as there is no Sector 10 for the Yellow Badge.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 2, 2024 11:00:34 GMT
I would doubt that is even a valid FOI request. It was asking for reasoning, which may not be published, rather than request for'information'
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 2, 2024 11:01:32 GMT
I do wonder if they could use the same logic for Superloop 2, perhaps starting and ending at Barnet? This is TfL. They will start in the south and go anti-clockwise this time.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 2, 2024 11:09:38 GMT
Exactly. Made total sense. No disrespect to anyone but I think these FOI are entirely pointless.
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Post by kmkcheng on Jun 2, 2024 11:14:29 GMT
I would say the numbering for the Superloop routes are no different to the Yellow Badge suburban sectors for Black cab drivers which are based on local boroughs that only enables them to take fares from those individual sectors they are licensed to operate in. Sector 1 covers Enfield, Haringey and Waltham Forest where most of the SL1 route goes through Enfield and Waltham Forest, while Haringey isn't too far off the SL1 line of route.
Sector 2 covers Barking & Dagenham, Havering, Newham and Redbridge, all except Havering are served by the SL2. Sector 3 covers Bexley, Greenwich and Lewisham, the SL3 route north of the A20 is under Bexley and a little bit of Greenwich around the Thamesmead area. Sector 4 exclusively covers Bromley, which for now is in the middle number for the SL3 & SL5 routes where they both meet at Bromley North. Sector 5 exclusively covers Croydon, that has the SL5 traversing through the borough. Sector 6 covers Merton and Sutton, this one is an anomaly as the SL6 doesn't go through either of those boroughs. Sector 7 covers Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond. SL7 has stops in Kingston and Richmond boroughs and passes through Hounslow on its long nonstop section between Teddington & Hatton Cross. Sector 8 covers Ealing and Hillingdon, where most of the SL8 route is along those two boroughs with SL9 also serving those two boroughs as well. Sector 9 covers Barnet, Brent and Harrow, SL9 goes into Harrow and the SL10 goes through all 3 of those boroughs as there is no Sector 10 for the Yellow Badge.
In Seoul, South Korea, they number their bus routes in a clockwise numbering system. Their bus routes are 4 digits, the first digit indicates the area where the route begins and the second digit indicates where the route ends. It is divided into 8 regions numbered 0-7. 0 is the central region and the surrounding areas numbered 1-7 starting at 12 o’clock in a clockwise direction.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 2, 2024 11:29:39 GMT
I do wonder if they could use the same logic for Superloop 2, perhaps starting and ending at Barnet? I expect that will be the case, however there are 11 routes proposed rather than 10 (if you assume two separate routes will terminate at Chingford), so if all go ahead that will include an SL21 too (likely the Harrow to Barnet route). In my opinion it would have been a lot more logical to start the numbering at the Thames, so for the current network from Thamesmead clockwise around to North Woolwich. Though I've also said before that the Superloop brand should be reserved for orbital links only, and the network simplified to just two circles around the suburbs. The current network works as it is easy for passengers to understand - but the proposed network map just looks very complicated, and a lot of the corridors involved don't really need express routes (and similarly for some of SL1-10). In some cases there are already rail alternatives linking in similar places, plus those that use dual carriageways for much of the route don't offer much alternative to an all-stops service (and why routes like the 66/112/113/etc already work well for faster connections). So a simplified network could be reduced to say SL1-SL6 as an outer loop, and SL11-16 as an inner loop?
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 3, 2024 20:21:40 GMT
It's been around a year since TFL updated the names for the terminus of the 174 and 365, yet most enviros and all EV's still have the old destinations... yet we see no one complaining about this because 'its an existing route' or because DX/Arriva doesn't operate it...
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 3, 2024 20:32:09 GMT
It's been around a year since TFL updated the names for the terminus of the 174 and 365, yet most enviros and all EV's still have the old destinations... yet we see no one complaining about this because 'its an existing route' or because DX/Arriva doesn't operate it... What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all.
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 3, 2024 20:44:10 GMT
It's been around a year since TFL updated the names for the terminus of the 174 and 365, yet most enviros and all EV's still have the old destinations... yet we see no one complaining about this because 'its an existing route' or because DX/Arriva doesn't operate it... What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all. Agreed there are plenty of examples. In the last few months Route P5 is now displaying on LED Nine Elms, Patmore Estate. Overall the destinations are always being changed and getting pointless updates so who can keep up with it. Some updates are good some useless.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 3, 2024 20:45:55 GMT
What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all. Agreed there are plenty of examples. In the last few months Route P5 is now displaying on LED Nine Elms, Patmore Estate. Overall the destinations are always being changed and getting pointless updates so who can keep up with it. Some updates are good some useless. Reminds me when someone dived in and changed the 45 from 'Elephant & Castle' to 'Elephant and Castle'. Funnily enough someone then went and reversed it too. I agree there's quite a few updates that are quite good but others also seem to be someone doing a bit of salary justification at TfL towers.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 3, 2024 21:22:18 GMT
It's been around a year since TFL updated the names for the terminus of the 174 and 365, yet most enviros and all EV's still have the old destinations... yet we see no one complaining about this because 'its an existing route' or because DX/Arriva doesn't operate it... I don’t mean to sound harsh but have you joined just to vent about the 365? I appreciate you might be annoyed about certain aspects but not sure what your aim is with these posts. Also what does this have to do with SuperLoop route proposals?
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