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Post by Paul on Jul 20, 2024 22:26:43 GMT
Usually it's actually decent but this week oh boy it really threw up those surprises. I know you're doing backflips for when the new shiny vehicles come. Hopefully the contractors can kick start the work at TB for you folks. Drivers, engineers, supervisors, controllers - we’re all looking forward to the new toys! Although, I have to say that I quite like driving the LTs - when they are working anyway! Not sure how many others here have driven them but I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how nice to drive they are. Although they aren’t so pleasant in the heat when the AC struggles……
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Post by vjaska on Jul 20, 2024 23:38:18 GMT
Usually it's actually decent but this week oh boy it really threw up those surprises. I know you're doing backflips for when the new shiny vehicles come. Hopefully the contractors can kick start the work at TB for you folks. Drivers, engineers, supervisors, controllers - we’re all looking forward to the new toys! Although, I have to say that I quite like driving the LTs - when they are working anyway! Not sure how many others here have driven them but I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how nice to drive they are. Although they aren’t so pleasant in the heat when the AC struggles…… I bet you and your fellow drivers are happier when a non LT shows up like the hybrid Enviro I had on my sole SL3 trip ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 20, 2024 23:51:22 GMT
It is the faster option for 80% of the time. As mentioned, the regulation is mainly at Ilford or Barking Station, the rest of the route is free flowing SL2 is much quicker for certain point to point trips over existing routes like Walthamstow Central to Ilford where it is generally around 15 to 20 mins quicker than using the W19 all the way between Walthamstow & Ilford, North Woolwich to Barking or Ilford is another as long as there isn't traffic compared to the 366 with the all the turns and double runs it serve or the 474 which takes ages just to get to East Ham to change to the likes of the 5, 147 & 238.
Even getting the SL2 and changing at Gants Hill is much quicker than doing the 275 end to end between Walthamstow & Barkingside which now takes as twice as long because of the long term diverson when compared using the SL2 to Gants Hill and then crossing the road for the 128/150/167 to Barkingside.
However there are key flows like Ilford to Barking and Barking to Gallions Reach where the SL2 is nearly always slower than the EL1 and a lot of times slower than the 366 too. The 366 leaving Barking is effectively the more express version as it skips all the congestion on the A406 and turns up right by Beckton triangle with pretty much no hindrance. The SL2 really should be using those roads.
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Post by Paul on Jul 21, 2024 2:36:38 GMT
Drivers, engineers, supervisors, controllers - we’re all looking forward to the new toys! Although, I have to say that I quite like driving the LTs - when they are working anyway! Not sure how many others here have driven them but I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how nice to drive they are. Although they aren’t so pleasant in the heat when the AC struggles…… I bet you and your fellow drivers are happier when a non LT shows up like the hybrid Enviro I had on my sole SL3 trip ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I’d never driven those before they started appearing on the SL3 and I’m very happy when I get one of those! I spend most of the time trying to slow the d*mn thing down! Very nice buses to drive
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 21, 2024 19:19:34 GMT
Happens plenty of times along the 262 / 473 corridor since Go Ahead took over those routes. This is not just Arriva or Superloop issue. You seem to constantly miss the point. The Superloop is advertised as a fast express service, the 262 and 473 are not. I agree with everything you have posted on this. We cant have regulation on these routes. The timetables for SL routes should be changed quicker and they should be tighter than being inflated. We know Thames Water make a whole somewhere and temporary timetables come flooding in or an operator has a cry about something and gets extra running time. Timetable would deal with the driver changes but most of the day there are no driver changes and they should be running to headway. I was held today on the SL2 for 7 minutes at a stop. I will provide no background to this. Is it acceptable? In my opinion, holding a SL route for 1 minute is unacceptable based on the nature of the service.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 21, 2024 19:43:04 GMT
You seem to constantly miss the point. The Superloop is advertised as a fast express service, the 262 and 473 are not. I agree with everything you have posted on this. We cant have regulation on these routes. The timetables for SL routes should be changed quicker and they should be tighter than being inflated. We know Thames Water make a whole somewhere and temporary timetables come flooding in or an operator has a cry about something and gets extra running time. Timetable would deal with the driver changes but most of the day there are no driver changes and they should be running to headway. I was held today on the SL2 for 7 minutes at a stop. I will provide no background to this. Is it acceptable? In my opinion, holding a SL route for 1 minute is unacceptable based on the nature of the service. I agree, regulating is bad enough on any route but to have it on a limited stop service is ridiculous and I think midroute driver changes should be avoided as far as possible, the 607 became noticeably slower when it moved from UX to G.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 21, 2024 19:49:23 GMT
You seem to constantly miss the point. The Superloop is advertised as a fast express service, the 262 and 473 are not. I agree with everything you have posted on this. We cant have regulation on these routes. The timetables for SL routes should be changed quicker and they should be tighter than being inflated. We know Thames Water make a whole somewhere and temporary timetables come flooding in or an operator has a cry about something and gets extra running time. Timetable would deal with the driver changes but most of the day there are no driver changes and they should be running to headway. I was held today on the SL2 for 7 minutes at a stop. I will provide no background to this. Is it acceptable? In my opinion, holding a SL route for 1 minute is unacceptable based on the nature of the service. I think that a massive influence on the SL2 at least is the mid-route changeovers as buses have to sit and regulate forever to ensure they don't turn up for a driver too early. Doing this at a stand would alleviate that problem and this should really be mandated in the ITT when issued. The whole reason TfL tender routes is to get cheap offers, if you mandate an end of route changeover then operators will oblige.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 7, 2024 15:26:58 GMT
FOI Request and CLondoner92's article covering it. Notably includes in the attached documents a list of potential bus priority locations.
Also covered in CLondoner's blog post is this FOI of dwell times on Superloop routes:
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 7, 2024 18:00:49 GMT
FOI Request and CLondoner92's article covering it. Notably includes in the attached documents a list of potential bus priority locations.
Also covered in CLondoner's blog post is this FOI of dwell times on Superloop routes: A lot to unpack but from a quick glance nobody will be surprised at SL2 being way ahead on dwell times at stops. TfL need to crack down on this for a quick win to improve journey times.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 28, 2024 19:30:39 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 28, 2024 19:52:44 GMT
Bar the SL7 and 9, I would imagine the next longest ones are the 2 and 3 which may explain why they have struggled initially with reliability.
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Post by Dad91 on Aug 29, 2024 5:28:08 GMT
Was wondering when TFL the introduced Superloop 2. What first Superloop would be
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 29, 2024 5:49:46 GMT
Was wondering when TFL the introduced Superloop 2. What first Superloop would be My money would be the Bakerloop.
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Post by Dad91 on Aug 29, 2024 14:30:04 GMT
Was wondering when TFL the introduced Superloop 2. What first Superloop would be My money would be the Bakerloop. was thinking the same Bakerloop
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 29, 2024 16:17:28 GMT
My money would be the Bakerloop. was thinking the same Bakerloop As iv said I wouldn't be surprised if this is the motivation for removing the 45 from Elephant in order to find a 2 bus stand.
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