Ford EcoBoost engines

[ServerKing]

Jun 6, 2023 14:16:50 GMT capitalomnibus said:

Jun 4, 2023 15:49:42 GMT ServerKing said:

The N57TUD30 unit is great from BMW, except if constantly ragged can suffer catastriphic failures, West Yorkshire Police suffered this when a Traffic Officer's 330d seized, shedding oil after something went bang. To stop people buying unmarked cars at auction after use they started drilling the engine block to deliberately trash it. (BTW Authority Spec cars are below most poverty spec cars with cloth seats)

The latest unit, the B57 is a great all rounder too, they fixed the turbo / camshaft issues, I have this unit in my X5. Great on the open road though on smaller country lanes feels like driving a double decker on the 394 as cars have grown somewhat

The worst Ford engine I've experienced was the DuraTorq diesel 1.5 in a long wheelbase Transit Connect. As underpowered as a Streetdeck on the 123, the 75bhp unit takes a lot of encouragement to get going. I've never agreed with the tiny engine / big vehicle thing as you use more fuel than in a more suitably matched car, like anything over a 1.8 if petrol

I think it was in part due to a officer losing their life with that engine.

www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2023/01/20/bmw-specialist-sales-to-police-ended-after-pc-death#:~:text=Faults%20had%20been%20identified%20with,were%20confined%20to%20police%20vehicles.

It's terrible what happened, though Police are still buying X5's with the new B57 unit, but are moving more to petrol 5 series and Volvo's. Though Volvo may shift to lower capacity engines and hybrids soon, so see how that plays out. You won't catch an Audi RS6 in a 2 litre petrol SUV

[WH241]

Note to self not to use lane 3 on dual carriage way and motorways whilst driving a EcoBoost! I think a hairdryer has more power than this engine.

[capitalomnibus]

Jun 12, 2023 9:42:51 GMT WH241 said:

Note to self not to use lane 3 on dual carriage way and motorways whilst driving a EcoBoost! I think a hairdryer has more power than this engine.

Is it the Fiesta you have. I think something must be wrong with your car. I found even in the outside lane it was fast.

[WH241]

Jun 13, 2023 9:54:16 GMT capitalomnibus said:

Jun 12, 2023 9:42:51 GMT WH241 said:

Note to self not to use lane 3 on dual carriage way and motorways whilst driving a EcoBoost! I think a hairdryer has more power than this engine.

Is it the Fiesta you have. I think something must be wrong with your car. I found even in the outside lane it was fast.

yes it’s a Firsta , It’s fast when you get the boost around town but the minute the engine feels it’s in the wrong gear it struggles. In my old Focus 1.6 I could easily stay in 5th gear and go over a flyover but in this car you have to drop to 4th or you just lose power. It’s the same in 3rd you are fine at 30mph but soon as you drop it starts complaining and is happy in 2nd gear.

[DE20106]

I feel I’m in a good position to give an opinion here as I have a bit of mechanical knowledge.

I have to say given the issues the EcoBoom engine had I’d never ever touch one with a barge pole. Not even a new one, the trust is totally gone.

However the reason the engine had the issues it did was due to incredibly poor engineering, rather than the engine being too small and stressing it out or working it too hard. The 1.6 EcoBoost also had similar issues.

These smaller engines in (especially bigger) cars are actually totally fine if they have good torque figures. The bigger the torque, the less hard it has to work getting it up to speed. These small engines have to be tough to withstand the huge amounts of heat the turbo generates, and always never forget the car manufacturers test these engines to absolute destruction before going on sale. So when maintained correctly a small turbocharged engine will last as long as anything else. It’s also on the driver, drive it with respect and not like you stole it that will also decrease the wear on the engine.

The more torque you have, the more relentless the engine is, the more stamina it has. For arguments sake take two people the same size going out on a run. If you’ve got a very unathletic person (like me 😂) and a very athletic person, the athletic man will be able to get up to and maintain higher speeds much easier and without putting stress on their body. Where as I will keep getting out of puff and stress myself out trying to keep pace. Same with these small engines, if engineered correctly and have good torque figures they’ll be like the theoretical athlete I just mentioned 😂 and will cope just like any other engine.

The 1.2 PureTech engine (that you get in modern Peugeots, Citroëns and Vauxhalls) is a famously torquey little engine. It will have no problem performing in bigger cars, in fact you can get it in the huge Peugeot 5008 😂 but that aside I still wouldn’t touch a car with the 1.2 engine as it is also prone to similar timing belt issues as the Ecoboost (it’s also a wet belt engine), but my point stands as it has nothing to do with the capability of the engine.

One of my favourite small engines though is the Renault/Nissan 1.3l TCe that you get in Qashqais, Capturs, Kadjars, and even Mercedes products. Again on first glance you may think it’s far too small for those cars, but they specifically designed it for bigger SUVs. It’s incredibly light and conducts heat really well to make sure it can handle the power and heat passing through it. Really powerful and torquey, no known major reliability issues with it and independent testers think you could get 200k miles out of it if maintained correctly. Pretty good achievement and Renault always make better engines than they get credit for imo. Renault are renowned for poor reliability but it’s almost never to do with their engines!

[capitalomnibus]

Jun 13, 2023 21:32:39 GMT DE20106 said:

I feel I’m in a good position to give an opinion here as I have a bit of mechanical knowledge.

I have to say given the issues the EcoBoom engine had I’d never ever touch one with a barge pole. Not even a new one, the trust is totally gone.

However the reason the engine had the issues it did was due to incredibly poor engineering, rather than the engine being too small and stressing it out or working it too hard. The 1.6 EcoBoost also had similar issues.

These smaller engines in (especially bigger) cars are actually totally fine if they have good torque figures. The bigger the torque, the less hard it has to work getting it up to speed. These small engines have to be tough to withstand the huge amounts of heat the turbo generates, and always never forget the car manufacturers test these engines to absolute destruction before going on sale. So when maintained correctly a small turbocharged engine will last as long as anything else. It’s also on the driver, drive it with respect and not like you stole it that will also decrease the wear on the engine.

The more torque you have, the more relentless the engine is, the more stamina it has. For arguments sake take two people the same size going out on a run. If you’ve got a very unathletic person (like me 😂) and a very athletic person, the athletic man will be able to get up to and maintain higher speeds much easier and without putting stress on their body. Where as I will keep getting out of puff and stress myself out trying to keep pace. Same with these small engines, if engineered correctly and have good torque figures they’ll be like the theoretical athlete I just mentioned 😂 and will cope just like any other engine.

The 1.2 PureTech engine (that you get in modern Peugeots, Citroëns and Vauxhalls) is a famously torquey little engine. It will have no problem performing in bigger cars, in fact you can get it in the huge Peugeot 5008 😂 but that aside I still wouldn’t touch a car with the 1.2 engine as it is also prone to similar timing belt issues as the Ecoboost (it’s also a wet belt engine), but my point stands as it has nothing to do with the capability of the engine.

One of my favourite small engines though is the Renault/Nissan 1.3l TCe that you get in Qashqais, Capturs, Kadjars, and even Mercedes products. Again on first glance you may think it’s far too small for those cars, but they specifically designed it for bigger SUVs. It’s incredibly light and conducts heat really well to make sure it can handle the power and heat passing through it. Really powerful and torquey, no known major reliability issues with it and independent testers think you could get 200k miles out of it if maintained correctly. Pretty good achievement and Renault always make better engines than they get credit for imo. Renault are renowned for poor reliability but it’s almost never to do with their engines!

The 1.3 DiG-T petrol engine in the Qashqai is a replacement for the infamous 1.2 DiG-T Renault engine which is known as a chocolate engine. There has been many class action lawsuits around the world due to this engine. The 1.3 has not suffered as bad as the 1.2. So to say Renault makes better engines is a joke.