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Post by WH241 on Jun 14, 2023 8:35:16 GMT
Those Northern Counties originally started off at Kentish Buses on the 22A, 22B and 55. They used absolutely stink of fuel fumes if you sat downstairs at the rear. I also remember the ex 253 J Reg buses running on the 275 around 2004! They ended up having a long life in London as they also ran on sightseeing work but not sure if the same batch that ran at DX? I thought as much. As I also found it weird that the bus stopping sign was on the left hand side of the bus as opposed to the right hand side. I'm still laughing at your last comment on how it smelt bad at the rear 🤣 Honestly it was awful! Used to use these buses a lot back then! The 275 had years of damp Volvo Citybuses to this!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 14, 2023 8:52:18 GMT
I thought as much. As I also found it weird that the bus stopping sign was on the left hand side of the bus as opposed to the right hand side. I'm still laughing at your last comment on how it smelt bad at the rear 🤣 Honestly it was awful! Used to use these buses a lot back then! The 275 had years of damp Volvo Citybuses to this! Damp? Did they leek alot through the windows.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 14, 2023 8:57:07 GMT
Honestly it was awful! Used to use these buses a lot back then! The 275 had years of damp Volvo Citybuses to this! Damp? Did they leek alot through the windows. No idea but the whole batch smelt and felt damp.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 14, 2023 9:59:20 GMT
The 103 I thought got the H Reg Olympians from new. Some were delivered in County Bus Cream & Green IIRC. They did but then in 2000 on renewal they ended up with dual doored Olympians. Looking at it now I think they came from N off the 176 or possibly AR off the 243 Yes the single door ones were sent out of London. They had front foglights fitted, extremely fast. The were replaced with the ex Kentish Bus dual door G### VBB Olympians. These were bought in 1990 for the 55, 22A, 22B and initially run out of the Ruckholt Rd garage, which now is the home to [LI]. These buses were then joined by the ex London Buses (Leaside) 253/67 J reg Leyland Olympians to see off the rest of the non standard Grey-Green Volvo Citybuses.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 14, 2023 10:01:44 GMT
So the 103 as capitalomnibus mentioned did have some H-reg Olympians back in it's grey green days however in 2000 it ended up getting cast offs from other arriva garages. Looking at some of the pictures now and from memory I think some were based at N for the 176 and others were at AR for the 243 Those Northern Counties originally started off at Kentish Buses on the 22A, 22B and 55. They used absolutely stink of fuel fumes if you sat downstairs at the rear. I also remember the ex 253 J Reg buses running on the 275 around 2004! They ended up having a long life in London as they also ran on sightseeing work but not sure if the same batch that ran at DX? Saw this after I posted similar. The J reg Olympians did go to [DX] some of them. The were seen on the 275, 20, 103 etc.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 15, 2023 9:53:26 GMT
Come to think of it now. Am I right in saying the last time the 67 received new vehicles was back in 2001 when it went to Stagecoach.
I know in 1996 it had those volvo olympians
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 15, 2023 11:06:58 GMT
Come to think of it now. Am I right in saying the last time the 67 received new vehicles was back in 2001 when it went to Stagecoach. I know in 1996 it had those volvo olympians I think the 67 had new 13reg DWs when won by Arriva
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 15, 2023 12:50:04 GMT
Come to think of it now. Am I right in saying the last time the 67 received new vehicles was back in 2001 when it went to Stagecoach. I know in 1996 it had those volvo olympians I think the 67 had new 13reg DWs when won by Arriva It was meant to get new buses in 2013 but it ended up with existing buses displaced from other routes. The 230 ended up getting the 13-reg buses
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 15, 2023 13:07:11 GMT
Come to think of it now. Am I right in saying the last time the 67 received new vehicles was back in 2001 when it went to Stagecoach. I know in 1996 it had those volvo olympians I think the 67 had new 13reg DWs when won by Arriva When the LT's went on it, I cannot remember if they were new or cast off's
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Post by WH241 on Jun 15, 2023 13:13:29 GMT
I think the 67 had new 13reg DWs when won by Arriva When the LT's went on it, I cannot remember if they were new or cast off's Think they were from the 38 if I remember rightly.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 15, 2023 13:45:55 GMT
When the LT's went on it, I cannot remember if they were new or cast off's Think they were from the 38 if I remember rightly. They were indeed. There was a point that the 67 had a similar set up that the 157 has with arriva involving two garages.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 15, 2023 13:53:55 GMT
So here's how I think it went down with the 67.
This actually involves two other routes as well. The 73 and 243, you could add a third with the 149 (but that's a story for another time). The 243 was meant to get DWs from the 73 in 2013 as that route converted to a full hybrid allocation.
The 67 was meant to get new buses but that changed when they moved the DWs to AR from SF. However the 67 drivers were based at SF but due to space constraints they parked the buses in AR. The usual rule of the thumb is to give the new awarded routes the buses and the existing routes wait a little bit longer for their new allocation.
Now at this point with the 67 taking some of the DWs there wasn't enough for it to go around onto the 243, which meant the batch of DW579-586 was bought in to remove the last DLAs off the 243.
Even in 2006 when the 67 went back to NP it had its tridents displaced from the 258 before gaining the volvo B7TLs off the 259/476 around 2010/2011
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Post by vjaska on Jun 15, 2023 13:59:59 GMT
So here's how I think it went down with the 67. This actually involves two other routes as well. The 73 and 243, you could add a third with the 149 (but that's a story for another time). The 243 was meant to get DWs from the 73 in 2013 as that route converted to a full hybrid allocation. The 67 was meant to get new buses but that changed when they moved the DWs to AR from SF. However the 67 drivers were based at SF but due to space constraints they parked the buses in AR. The usual rule of the thumb is to give the new awarded routes the buses and the existing routes wait a little bit longer for their new allocation. Now at this point with the 67 taking some of the DWs there wasn't enough for it to go around onto the 243, which meant the batch of DW579-586 was bought in to remove the last DLAs off the 243. Even in 2006 when the 67 went back to NP it had its tridents displaced from the 258 before gaining the volvo B7TLs off the 259/476 around 2010/2011 The 67 received 13 reg DW535-555 from new (think it and the 106 started new contracts at the same time - 106 was similar 13 reg DW516-534), followed by the 121 receiving DW556-578 and the 230 received 63 reg DW579-586 with the remainder of the DW's for the 230 coming from elsewhere - that's how I understand it at least.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 15, 2023 14:04:47 GMT
So here's how I think it went down with the 67. This actually involves two other routes as well. The 73 and 243, you could add a third with the 149 (but that's a story for another time). The 243 was meant to get DWs from the 73 in 2013 as that route converted to a full hybrid allocation. The 67 was meant to get new buses but that changed when they moved the DWs to AR from SF. However the 67 drivers were based at SF but due to space constraints they parked the buses in AR. The usual rule of the thumb is to give the new awarded routes the buses and the existing routes wait a little bit longer for their new allocation. Now at this point with the 67 taking some of the DWs there wasn't enough for it to go around onto the 243, which meant the batch of DW579-586 was bought in to remove the last DLAs off the 243. Even in 2006 when the 67 went back to NP it had its tridents displaced from the 258 before gaining the volvo B7TLs off the 259/476 around 2010/2011 The 67 received 13 reg DW535-555 from new (think it and the 106 started new contracts at the same time - 106 was similar 13 reg DW516-534), followed by the 121 receiving DW556-578 and the 230 received 63 reg DW579-586 with the remainder of the DW's for the 230 coming from elsewhere - that's how I understand it at least. Not quite. So basically the 230 got the new buses but the 67 ended up with the existing buses from the 73 instead. At that time. They wanted to get rid of the DLAs off the 243 but there wasn't enough to go around. So that batch 579-586 was actually for the 243 to get rid of the DLAs. I have it somewhere in my records. Let me try and find it. **edit** I've gone through some of the records. This was saying some came off the 29. www.flickr.com/photos/wirewiping/8695371617. I do remember DW431 in particular moving over from SF to AR.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 15, 2023 16:27:27 GMT
The 67 received 13 reg DW535-555 from new (think it and the 106 started new contracts at the same time - 106 was similar 13 reg DW516-534), followed by the 121 receiving DW556-578 and the 230 received 63 reg DW579-586 with the remainder of the DW's for the 230 coming from elsewhere - that's how I understand it at least. Not quite. So basically the 230 got the new buses but the 67 ended up with the existing buses from the 73 instead. At that time. They wanted to get rid of the DLAs off the 243 but there wasn't enough to go around. So that batch 579-586 was actually for the 243 to get rid of the DLAs. I have it somewhere in my records. Let me try and find it. **edit** I've gone through some of the records. This was saying some came off the 29. www.flickr.com/photos/wirewiping/8695371617. I do remember DW431 in particular moving over from SF to AR. Fair enough, my information came from LOTS at the time - forum.bustalk.info/viewtopic.php?t=3757&view=previous&sid=02954c46dbccb74123683e1a46808d63 I was under the impression that the 29's DW's (along with the rest of the 400 series) were cascaded onto other routes in North London like the 243 for instance rather than the 67
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