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Post by wirewiper on Jul 4, 2023 7:41:05 GMT
The changes from 23rd July:
Route 28: Extended from Ringmer to Hailsham and Eastbourne via Polegate, Willingdon and Eastbourne District Hospital. Half-hourly daytime frequency with an hourly evening service as far as Hailsham with last bus from Brighton at 23.15. The infrequent Compass Bus 143 between Lewes and Hailsham is withdrawn. Route 29: Restored to half-hourly daytime frequency between Brighton and Tunbridge Wells. Route 29A: New hourly service from Brighton to Uckfield and Heathfield. This service operates via Isfield.
Routes 28, 29 and 29A will continue to operate every 10 minutes between Brighton and Lewes on Monday to Saturday daytimes, on Sunday shopping hours the service is increased to every 20 minutes.
There are also timetable improvements for Compass Bus routes 123 (Lewes-Newhaven), 125 (Lewes-Alfriston), 128/129 (Lewes town services) and 145 (Newhaven local service). The 123 gains a Sunday service.
The East Sussex Day Ticket will cost £5 and can be used on any bus service in the County.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 5, 2023 17:21:59 GMT
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 29, 2023 20:56:45 GMT
Brighton & Hove's new "sea green" livery is upsetting some folk. There are justified claims that red and cream belong to the city's buses having been used for over a century; that is not quite correct but Tilling red / cream was in use until around 1975 when the last of it was subsumed into NBC leaf-green for a time. It re-emerged only a few years later in privatisation and has been with us in some form or another ever since although diluted in more recent times by route branding of different colours.
I have no objection to positive change. I respect the fact that B&H has been one of the most successful of privatised bus operators consistently winning awards and growing traffic. Until fairly recently.
There are daily posts on social media - which the operator swiftly removes - bemoaning the failure of their buses to turn up and / or the daily short-turns meaning the advertised service doesn't run to or from the city centre and it is necessary to use another route to reach the sea-life centre or Lewes Road garage for travel on the main out-of-town arteries.
A successful bus company should be high-profile and the red / cream base livery was strident in saying "We are here". Numerous campaigns using local people's faces and the slogan "we're on the bus" produced results. Route branding is find when you can keep branded buses on the correct routes and B&H has been better than most in this respect. Corporate style livery with blue, lilac or orange instead of red identified specific routes and encouraged passengers to wait knowing their bus was imminent.
I can understand the push-back against a rather sickly sea-green scheme which will see buses merge into the background rather than stand tall and be seen. Red and cream has been modernised and reinvented multiple times over from stripes through curves and swoops to a very recognisable 21st-Century take on the Tilling original. It could have been done again if the operator felt another re-brand was needed.
Time will tell. The operator seems to have very active media monitors because all posts which in any way offer criticism of their business are swiftly deleted. That, to my mind, is not a way to keep friends and win over your enemies.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 29, 2023 21:29:38 GMT
Brighton & Hove's new "sea green" livery is upsetting some folk. There are justified claims that red and cream belong to the city's buses having been used for over a century; that is not quite correct but Tilling red / cream was in use until around 1975 when the last of it was subsumed into NBC leaf-green for a time. It re-emerged only a few years later in privatisation and has been with us in some form or another ever since although diluted in more recent times by route branding of different colours. I have no objection to positive change. I respect the fact that B&H has been one of the most successful of privatised bus operators consistently winning awards and growing traffic. Until fairly recently. There are daily posts on social media - which the operator swiftly removes - bemoaning the failure of their buses to turn up and / or the daily short-turns meaning the advertised service doesn't run to or from the city centre and it is necessary to use another route to reach the sea-life centre or Lewes Road garage for travel on the main out-of-town arteries. A successful bus company should be high-profile and the red / cream base livery was strident in saying "We are here". Numerous campaigns using local people's faces and the slogan "we're on the bus" produced results. Route branding is find when you can keep branded buses on the correct routes and B&H has been better than most in this respect. Corporate style livery with blue, lilac or orange instead of red identified specific routes and encouraged passengers to wait knowing their bus was imminent. I can understand the push-back against a rather sickly sea-green scheme which will see buses merge into the background rather than stand tall and be seen. Red and cream has been modernised and reinvented multiple times over from stripes through curves and swoops to a very recognisable 21st-Century take on the Tilling original. It could have been done again if the operator felt another re-brand was needed. Time will tell. The operator seems to have very active media monitors because all posts which in any way offer criticism of their business are swiftly deleted. That, to my mind, is not a way to keep friends and win over your enemies. I'm baffled as to what the thinking is behind this change of livery and I'm not at all surprised about the criticism it's attracted. Rather concerning that B&H have been deleting criticism on social media, I really thought that they were better than that.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 1, 2023 22:06:46 GMT
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 2, 2023 13:12:11 GMT
Ironically Bevendean was always Brighton Corporation territory under the various operating agreements over many years. I don't recall any mass complaints in those days even when the service was a cross-town (pre-city) route and sometimes at the mercy of traffic delays.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2023 13:58:18 GMT
Ironically Bevendean was always Brighton Corporation territory under the various operating agreements over many years. I don't recall any mass complaints in those days even when the service was a cross-town (pre-city) route and sometimes at the mercy of traffic delays. I seem to recall routes 10 and 11 serving Bevy years ago? It seems B&H standards have slipped a bit in recent years with driver shortages often being blamed and (allegedly?) Lewes Road garage are the worst effected and suggestions that the 25 and 49 are prioritised with other routes bearing the brunt of cancellations. I'm surprised that over 100 people attended the meeting, often there's a lot of apathy about such events.
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Post by cardinal on Sept 4, 2023 5:58:35 GMT
Brighton & Hove's new "sea green" livery is upsetting some folk. There are justified claims that red and cream belong to the city's buses having been used for over a century; that is not quite correct but Tilling red / cream was in use until around 1975 when the last of it was subsumed into NBC leaf-green for a time. It re-emerged only a few years later in privatisation and has been with us in some form or another ever since although diluted in more recent times by route branding of different colours. I have no objection to positive change. I respect the fact that B&H has been one of the most successful of privatised bus operators consistently winning awards and growing traffic. Until fairly recently. There are daily posts on social media - which the operator swiftly removes - bemoaning the failure of their buses to turn up and / or the daily short-turns meaning the advertised service doesn't run to or from the city centre and it is necessary to use another route to reach the sea-life centre or Lewes Road garage for travel on the main out-of-town arteries. A successful bus company should be high-profile and the red / cream base livery was strident in saying "We are here". Numerous campaigns using local people's faces and the slogan "we're on the bus" produced results. Route branding is find when you can keep branded buses on the correct routes and B&H has been better than most in this respect. Corporate style livery with blue, lilac or orange instead of red identified specific routes and encouraged passengers to wait knowing their bus was imminent. I can understand the push-back against a rather sickly sea-green scheme which will see buses merge into the background rather than stand tall and be seen. Red and cream has been modernised and reinvented multiple times over from stripes through curves and swoops to a very recognisable 21st-Century take on the Tilling original. It could have been done again if the operator felt another re-brand was needed. Time will tell. The operator seems to have very active media monitors because all posts which in any way offer criticism of their business are swiftly deleted. That, to my mind, is not a way to keep friends and win over your enemies. Really interesting post thank you. Sounds as if they’re acting in a belligerent manner, probably because they think they’re unassailable. This is one of the problems when a large company dominates an area ( B&H , Metrobus / Southdown) . its also given a competitor the opportunity to reinstate the traditional colours on their buses.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 14, 2023 13:53:18 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 14, 2023 14:14:17 GMT
Interesting to read the comments and a lot of blame is aimed at B&H for getting rid of the Bendi-buses during COVID. Got me thinking, what artic models are offered for RHD in the UK and what were the last ones delivered.
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Post by redexpress on Nov 14, 2023 20:19:25 GMT
Interesting to read the comments and a lot of blame is aimed at B&H forgetting rid of the Bendi-buses during COVID. Got me thinking, what artic models are offered for RHD in the UK and what were the last ones delivered. Daimler UK still include the Citaro G on their website, so I assume it's still available to order. According to buslistsontheweb the latest deliveries were a pair to NX West Midlands in 2022, although they originally had 2020 regs booked so are delayed deliveries from an older order.
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Post by gwiwer on Nov 14, 2023 22:47:43 GMT
Not a shortage of buses but a shortage of bus drivers. In common with many other parts of the UK. Brighton & Hove is one of those cities where despite above-average wages for driving there is a severe recruitment problem. It is a relatively well-off city meaning lower-paid and less-desirable jobs (and let's face it driving buses fall into both categories for most people) go unfilled as people can get a better job elsewhere. B&H perhaps sensibly applies cuts to its highest-frequency services first when possible to avoid creating very long gaps on the wider-headway routes. This is not to say those don't happen - they do - but if you can manage to restrict your service cuts to routes with a scheduled 6 - 10 bph as some are then the effect is minimised. When half a university all wants to leave campus at the same time and head into the city and or home there will be capacity issues what ever you do. Staffing issues have been a problem in the city for very many years. In the 1970s the previous Brighton, Hove & District division of Southdown actually printed "scheduled cancellation" leaflets in the days before internet because matters had come to a head. Some routes were seeing several consecutive journeys cut out daily. The temporary suspension of specific duties did at least give a sense of certainty even if day-to-day cuts over and above those advertised usually occurred at short notice.
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Post by mark on Nov 15, 2023 8:57:15 GMT
Interesting to read the comments and a lot of blame is aimed at B&H forgetting rid of the Bendi-buses during COVID. Got me thinking, what artic models are offered for RHD in the UK and what were the last ones delivered. Daimler UK still include the Citaro G on their website, so I assume it's still available to order. According to buslistsontheweb the latest deliveries were a pair to NX West Midlands in 2022, although they originally had 2020 regs booked so are delayed deliveries from an older order.
I think the two buses referred to were for long term car park shuttles at an airport (although I can’t recall which one - it might have been Gatwick).
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Post by redexpress on Nov 15, 2023 10:51:46 GMT
Daimler UK still include the Citaro G on their website, so I assume it's still available to order. According to buslistsontheweb the latest deliveries were a pair to NX West Midlands in 2022, although they originally had 2020 regs booked so are delayed deliveries from an older order.
I think the two buses referred to were for long term car park shuttles at an airport (although I can’t recall which one - it might have been Gatwick). Thanks, on digging a bit more I see they are for NatEx at Stansted. Buslistsontheweb quotes the initial owner for most of them as "West Midlands" which is what confused me at first. They are part of a batch of 21 buses which all had BN20 regs booked, but several had their registration deferred to 2021 while the last two were deferred to 2022.
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Post by mark on Nov 15, 2023 12:32:52 GMT
I think the two buses referred to were for long term car park shuttles at an airport (although I can’t recall which one - it might have been Gatwick). Thanks, on digging a bit more I see they are for NatEx at Stansted. Buslistsontheweb quotes the initial owner for most of them as "West Midlands" which is what confused me at first. They are part of a batch of 21 buses which all had BN20 regs booked, but several had their registration deferred to 2021 while the last two were deferred to 2022. It’s a NatEx contract - a number of its coaches carry West Midlands legals these days.
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