Temporary routes 718, 719, 720

[snowman]

Network Rail has released details of the summer Bakerloo line and Overground closures between Queens Park / Stonebridge Park and Watford Junction, along with Overground Closures on Euston - Watford route

Mentions temporary routes 718, 719, 720
Anyone know who is working them ?

www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/major-bakerloo-line-and-london-overground-upgrades-this-summer

Route 718 Queen's Park to Harrow & Wealdstone (Phase 1 and Phase 3)

Daily, from first to last train times during Phase 1: Sunday 23 July-Sunday 30 July and Phase 3: Friday 11 August - Thursday 17 August
Via Kensal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden Town Centre, Stonebridge Park, Wembley Central, North Wembley, Preston Road (walk for South Kenton), Kenton
Access to the Metropolitan line at Preston Road station and Northwick Park station (6-minute walk from Kenton station)

Route 718 Stonebridge Park to Harrow & Wealdstone (Phase 2)

Daily, from first to last train times during Phase 2 (Monday 31 July-Thursday 10 August)
Via Wembley Central, North Wembley, Preston Road (walk for South Kenton), Kenton
Access to the Metropolitan line at Preston Road station and Northwick Park station (6-minute walk from Kenton station)

Route 719 Queen's Park to Wembley Park (Phases 1 and 3)

During Phase 1: Monday 24 July-Friday 28 July 06:50-18:00
Phase 3: Friday 11 August and Monday 14 August - Thursday 17 August 07:20-19:35
Via Kensal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden Town Centre, Stonebridge Park, Wembley Central
Times listed above are approximate departure times of the first/last bus from either Queen's Park or Wembley Park
Access to the Jubilee and Metropolitan lines at Wembley Park station
Does not run on Saturdays or Sundays, or during Phase 2

Route 720 Harrow-on-the-Hill to Watford Junction (all phases)

From first to last train times
Via Harrow & Wealdstone, Headstone Lane, Hatch End, Carpenders Park, Bushey, Watford High Street
Access to the Metropolitan line at Harrow-on-the-Hill station

tfl.gov.uk/status-updates/major-works-and-events/london-overground-and-bakerloo-line-part-closure?cid=bakerloo-overground

[Busboy105]

The Last time the 718/719/720 was in operation, Sullivans and Metroline was the main ones. I also saw a Thorpe Park bus doing the 720 as well. That could obviously change

[vjaska]

Jun 29, 2023 22:23:31 GMT Busboy105 said:

The Last time the 718/719/720 was in operation, Sullivans and Metroline was the main ones. I also saw a Thorpe Park bus doing the 720 as well. That could obviously change

That's right as I actually went out and did them - the Sullivan Buses service was appalling due to traffic and broken down vehicles, was single decker due to a low bridge at Bushey. Metrolines service was ok but they did struggle in the afternoon due to roadworks.

[Busboy105]

Jun 30, 2023 1:32:38 GMT vjaska said:

Jun 29, 2023 22:23:31 GMT Busboy105 said:

The Last time the 718/719/720 was in operation, Sullivans and Metroline was the main ones. I also saw a Thorpe Park bus doing the 720 as well. That could obviously change

That's right as I actually went out and did them - the Sullivan Buses service was appalling due to traffic and broken down vehicles, was single decker due to a low bridge at Bushey. Metrolines service was ok but they did struggle in the afternoon due to roadworks.

I waited like 20 minutes for the 718 when I did it. Only for it to rest for about 10 minutes for a driver change

[ADH45258]

Jun 30, 2023 1:32:38 GMT vjaska said:

Jun 29, 2023 22:23:31 GMT Busboy105 said:

The Last time the 718/719/720 was in operation, Sullivans and Metroline was the main ones. I also saw a Thorpe Park bus doing the 720 as well. That could obviously change

That's right as I actually went out and did them - the Sullivan Buses service was appalling due to traffic and broken down vehicles, was single decker due to a low bridge at Bushey. Metrolines service was ok but they did struggle in the afternoon due to roadworks.

I would question if that low bridge is really a restriction, as a Sullivan school route (non-TFL) regualarly uses DDs there.

Alternatively going down Pinner Road from Bushey Station would allow DDs to be used, serving Carpenders Park Station to the east of the railway line instead.

[​galwhv69]

Jun 30, 2023 9:25:33 GMT ADH45258 said:

Jun 30, 2023 1:32:38 GMT vjaska said:

That's right as I actually went out and did them - the Sullivan Buses service was appalling due to traffic and broken down vehicles, was single decker due to a low bridge at Bushey. Metrolines service was ok but they did struggle in the afternoon due to roadworks.

I would question if that low bridge is really a restriction, as a Sullivan school route (non-TFL) regualarly uses DDs there.

Alternatively going down Pinner Road from Bushey Station would allow DDs to be used, serving Carpenders Park Station to the east of the railway line instead.

Think Sullivans may use low height deckers on there?

[redexpress]

Jun 30, 2023 20:52:22 GMT ​galwhv69 said:

Jun 30, 2023 9:25:33 GMT ADH45258 said:

I would question if that low bridge is really a restriction, as a Sullivan school route (non-TFL) regualarly uses DDs there.

Alternatively going down Pinner Road from Bushey Station would allow DDs to be used, serving Carpenders Park Station to the east of the railway line instead.

Think Sullivans may use low height deckers on there?

Do Sullivans have any low-height DDs? Almost all of their DDs are ex-London, and the few that aren't appear to be full-height from the photos that I can find.

[enviro498]

Jul 1, 2023 6:49:47 GMT redexpress said:

Jun 30, 2023 20:52:22 GMT ​galwhv69 said:

Think Sullivans may use low height deckers on there?

Do Sullivans have any low-height DDs? Almost all of their DDs are ex-London, and the few that aren't appear to be full-height from the photos that I can find.

They use East Lancs Myllenium Vyking and Lolyne deckers on the routes. These are fine to go under the bridge as the height restriction is 4.3m and the buses are 4.3m or less, but all of their other DDs are too tall. There are 6 of these vehicles in the fleet, but what prevents their use on the 720 is that they are Euro 3 vehicles.

[BE37054 (quoll662)]

What are the frequencies of these routes?

[enviro498]

Jul 5, 2023 16:11:40 GMT BE37054 (quoll662) said:

What are the frequencies of these routes?

718 - Every 10 mins
719 - Every 15 mins
720 - Every 20 mins

Frequencies are the same on all days of the week (except 719 which is Mon-Fri only).

[BE37054 (quoll662)]

Jul 5, 2023 17:51:02 GMT enviro498 said:

Jul 5, 2023 16:11:40 GMT BE37054 (quoll662) said:

What are the frequencies of these routes?

718 - Every 10 mins
719 - Every 15 mins
720 - Every 20 mins

Frequencies are the same on all days of the week (except 719 which is Mon-Fri only).

Thank you!