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Post by Mokujin on Jul 31, 2023 18:49:15 GMT
The N1 if I’m right was routed away from Canada Water due to anti-social behaviour and is yet to return, despite the 47, N199 and N381 all serving it. Isn’t the problem also going on around Chiswick, hence the 70 being curtailed to Acton Town? N1 never served Canada Water. Prior to the introduction of the night tube, 188N and N381 were the only night routes serving the Canada Water area and even then, they used to go past the bus station between 01:00 and 05:00 instead of entering it. N47 (now N199) also used to go straight along Lower Road rather than doing a double run via the station which N199 does now.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 31, 2023 19:06:03 GMT
The consultation mentioned the redevelopment of the south side of Abbott Road. Maybe the re-routing of the 309 is linked to the redevelopment where Blair Street etc may not be suitable for buses in the future?
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Post by danorak on Aug 1, 2023 0:32:54 GMT
The consultation mentioned the redevelopment of the south side of Abbott Road. Maybe the re-routing of the 309 is linked to the redevelopment where Blair Street etc may not be suitable for buses in the future? Can't see that that should be an issue from a look on Google Maps - Blair Street seems to have been redeveloped already for one thing. But if that is the case, then it should be spelled out in the consultation, we shouldn't have to try and surmise it. My suspicion is they just want to save a bit of time to potentially save resources. The justification that "our proposals are designed to ensure we can support increased demand for bus services on either side of Abbott Road as new homes and communities continue to develop" seems spurious. There are no new stops on the rerouted section other than a westbound stop moved just round the corner at the end of Blair Street.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 1, 2023 1:29:09 GMT
The consultation mentioned the redevelopment of the south side of Abbott Road. Maybe the re-routing of the 309 is linked to the redevelopment where Blair Street etc may not be suitable for buses in the future? Can't see that that should be an issue from a look on Google Maps - Blair Street seems to have been redeveloped already for one thing. But if that is the case, then it should be spelled out in the consultation, we shouldn't have to try and surmise it. My suspicion is they just want to save a bit of time to potentially save resources. The justification that "our proposals are designed to ensure we can support increased demand for bus services on either side of Abbott Road as new homes and communities continue to develop" seems spurious. There are no new stops on the rerouted section other than a westbound stop moved just round the corner at the end of Blair Street. I've also had a look on Google Maps - all three roads that won't be served anymore have enough room for a bus to pass even where cars are parked opposite each other so even the reason for parked cars being a problem doesn't make much sense here. The 309 isn't designed to be speedy and direct but to serve particular communities and link them up elsewhere - TfL need to speed up the correct routes in the correct places and this doesn't smack of that IMO.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 1, 2023 7:51:12 GMT
The consultation mentioned the redevelopment of the south side of Abbott Road. Maybe the re-routing of the 309 is linked to the redevelopment where Blair Street etc may not be suitable for buses in the future? Can't see that that should be an issue from a look on Google Maps - Blair Street seems to have been redeveloped already for one thing. But if that is the case, then it should be spelled out in the consultation, we shouldn't have to try and surmise it. My suspicion is they just want to save a bit of time to potentially save resources. The justification that "our proposals are designed to ensure we can support increased demand for bus services on either side of Abbott Road as new homes and communities continue to develop" seems spurious. There are no new stops on the rerouted section other than a westbound stop moved just round the corner at the end of Blair Street. thank you, I haven't been round that way for a while so wasn't sure exactly what had been redeveloped.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Aug 1, 2023 8:46:18 GMT
The consultation mentioned the redevelopment of the south side of Abbott Road. Maybe the re-routing of the 309 is linked to the redevelopment where Blair Street etc may not be suitable for buses in the future? Can't see that that should be an issue from a look on Google Maps - Blair Street seems to have been redeveloped already for one thing. But if that is the case, then it should be spelled out in the consultation, we shouldn't have to try and surmise it. My suspicion is they just want to save a bit of time to potentially save resources. The justification that "our proposals are designed to ensure we can support increased demand for bus services on either side of Abbott Road as new homes and communities continue to develop" seems spurious. There are no new stops on the rerouted section other than a westbound stop moved just round the corner at the end of Blair Street. Used the 309 about a week ago now (23/7), absolutely no problems along that part of the route, so not sure what the reason for this change would be.
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Post by danorak on Aug 1, 2023 10:25:40 GMT
Looking at Ian Armstrong's site, what I hadn't realised is that the current routeing through Aberfeldy Estate is effectively the remnant of the old terminus loop from before the route was extended to Canning Town.
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 1, 2023 15:40:16 GMT
This stinks of "F the poor in the old Aberfeldy Estate let's make it easier for the new homebuyers in the new " 'Village' " People heading to Canning Town can walk and use a 115 😂😂
Tbf this change isn't really a massive change however a lot of elderly/ mums etc get on/off the stops that go around the parade in Aberfeldy and get off at Chrisp Street Market ( Another area being Gentrified ) personally don't see it as a big change but for people who have mobility issues etc this could be a pain but seems pointless to me might aswell leave as is and I don't see how saving "up to two minutes" manages to up the frequency in the evenings ? Tfl giveth tfl taketh , if anything they need to be adding a new bus route in there somewhere , there is a crazy number of developments going up in that area at Canning town by the roundabout and also where the old industrial estate used to be by the A12 Ailsa Wharf I believe it's called (where the old GMV Coaches used to be based anyone local to that area will know who I mean ) but all these developments many car free aswell unless you pay about £30K for a space and less transport links 🤷🏿♂️ .
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 1, 2023 15:42:41 GMT
Can't see that that should be an issue from a look on Google Maps - Blair Street seems to have been redeveloped already for one thing. But if that is the case, then it should be spelled out in the consultation, we shouldn't have to try and surmise it. My suspicion is they just want to save a bit of time to potentially save resources. The justification that "our proposals are designed to ensure we can support increased demand for bus services on either side of Abbott Road as new homes and communities continue to develop" seems spurious. There are no new stops on the rerouted section other than a westbound stop moved just round the corner at the end of Blair Street. Used the 309 about a week ago now (23/7), absolutely no problems along that part of the route, so not sure what the reason for this change would be. Lobbying from developers no doubt need to make transport seem attractive to sell flats
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 1, 2023 16:03:19 GMT
Route and area I know well. Reading between the words, this change is linked to the frequency increase. TfL want to increase it but something means they can't do it unless they reroute. It could buses blocking each other, noise increase, evening increase of cars. The current routing is far more residential than the proposed. Alsio the consultation indicates that the frequency increase is a condition on rerouting.
This is similar to W12. TfL want to increase frequency but needs to reroute as WF don't want more buses through Village.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 1, 2023 17:16:04 GMT
Route and area I know well. Reading between the words, this change is linked to the frequency increase. TfL want to increase it but something means they can't do it unless they reroute. It could buses blocking each other, noise increase, evening increase of cars. The current routing is far more residential than the proposed. Alsio the consultation indicates that the frequency increase is a condition on rerouting. This is similar to W12. TfL want to increase frequency but needs to reroute as WF don't want more buses through Village. As you know this, maybe you can help so please correct me on anything I’m going to say - as I understand it from walking through Walthamstow Village & from Google Maps and my sole 309 ride, Walthamstow Village is a collection of narrow roads where I can understand running a bus through there can be challenging on many fronts. This part of the 309 is completely different (unless you can correct me on that) and the frequency increase is not during peaks but in the evening when traffic should be lower plus buses do have the ability to pass each other safely and not get stuck so I’m confused why the frequency increase should be a condition to the re-routing?
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Post by greenboy on Aug 1, 2023 17:21:46 GMT
Route and area I know well. Reading between the words, this change is linked to the frequency increase. TfL want to increase it but something means they can't do it unless they reroute. It could buses blocking each other, noise increase, evening increase of cars. The current routing is far more residential than the proposed. Alsio the consultation indicates that the frequency increase is a condition on rerouting. This is similar to W12. TfL want to increase frequency but needs to reroute as WF don't want more buses through Village. Yes the evening frequency increase is clearly linked to the rerouting, if the problems with parked cars and anti social behaviour are only occurring in the evening wouldn't it be logical to only reroute the service away from Aberfeldy Street in the evening? I know it doesn't fit in with standardisation but rerouting the daytime service because of problems that occur in the evening, assuming that is the case, really is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 1, 2023 19:13:50 GMT
The more I read this proposal the more it makes me feel passengers are a inconvenience for buses! It is so disappointing to see another area that's similar to Keir Hardie lose a local link and passengers expected to walk to catch a bus that has for many years provided a service.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 1, 2023 19:32:22 GMT
The way I see it is that it is a tick box exercise - tfl will most likely go ahead with the change. A sad reality but tfl don't care about it's passengers
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 1, 2023 19:54:56 GMT
The more I read this proposal the more it makes me feel passengers are a inconvenience for buses! It is so disappointing to see another area that's similar to Keir Hardie lose a local link and passengers expected to walk to catch a bus that has for many years provided a service. Have GAL won this contract! 😂
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