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Post by londonbuses on Sept 6, 2023 15:32:32 GMT
Surprised they're even bothering with this consultation, I can't see any reason not to introduce the 618, and the routing of the E1 Osterley extension has already been consulted on previously as an extension to the 112.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 6, 2023 16:22:26 GMT
Surprised they're even bothering with this consultation, I can't see any reason not to introduce the 618, and the routing of the E1 Osterley extension has already been consulted on previously as an extension to the 112. Wasn't the E1 extension already consulted on as part of the Crossrail bus changes? The West London section also covered the 266/306/etc, as well as the more recent minor changes to the 95/E5.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 6, 2023 16:23:17 GMT
Can't see why they can't go ahead with extending the route without consultation
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Post by COBO on Sept 6, 2023 16:31:50 GMT
Surprised they're even bothering with this consultation, I can't see any reason not to introduce the 618, and the routing of the E1 Osterley extension has already been consulted on previously as an extension to the 112. but that's with the 112.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 6, 2023 16:40:04 GMT
Can't see why they can't go ahead with extending the route without consultation Because when you make changes like these ones, TfL have to consult regardless of whether you, I or anyone else think it's needed or not.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 6, 2023 16:50:31 GMT
Can't see why they can't go ahead with extending the route without consultation Because when you make changes like these ones, TfL have to consult regardless of whether you, I or anyone else think it's needed or not. i know but they're not removing the route from anywhere, they're only extending the route.
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 6, 2023 18:17:53 GMT
Because when you make changes like these ones, TfL have to consult regardless of whether you, I or anyone else think it's needed or not. i know but they're not removing the route from anywhere, they're only extending the route. As Vjaska has explained, it is a legal requirement to consult. To not consult could potentially expose TfL to an unnecessary and expensive legal challenge which no TfL Officer would want to do. It could also delay the implementation of the change. The law is a blunt instrument.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 6, 2023 18:27:48 GMT
i know but they're not removing the route from anywhere, they're only extending the route. As Vjaska has explained, it is a legal requirement to consult. To not consult could potentially expose TfL to an unnecessary and expensive legal challenge which no TfL Officer would want to do. It could also delay the implementation of the change. The law is a blunt instrument. Well it begs the question as to why there's been speculation around routes R68/R70 which there hasn't been a consultation on, but apparantly there's going to be changes on Saturday. I highly doubt that this will go ahead especially given that there's no changes on the tfl website
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 6, 2023 18:40:23 GMT
As Vjaska has explained, it is a legal requirement to consult. To not consult could potentially expose TfL to an unnecessary and expensive legal challenge which no TfL Officer would want to do. It could also delay the implementation of the change. The law is a blunt instrument. Well it begs the question as to why there's been speculation around routes R68/R70 which there hasn't been a consultation on, but apparantly there's going to be changes on Saturday. I highly doubt that this will go ahead especially given that there's no changes on the tfl website The R68/R70 changes are confirmed, they have been inputted into TfL's journey planner, but why they haven't been publicised I don't know. They don't need to be consulted on as they are temporary changes.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 6, 2023 18:43:44 GMT
Well it begs the question as to why there's been speculation around routes R68/R70 which there hasn't been a consultation on, but apparantly there's going to be changes on Saturday. I highly doubt that this will go ahead especially given that there's no changes on the tfl website The R68/R70 changes are confirmed, they have been inputted into TfL's journey planner, but why they haven't been publicised I don't know. They don't need to be consulted on as they are temporary changes. How long is temporary in this instance? Either way it's really bad of them to not publicise it. Who knows, when Saturday comes the routes will be the exact same. You can't just change routes like that and not publicise it.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 6, 2023 18:45:53 GMT
As Vjaska has explained, it is a legal requirement to consult. To not consult could potentially expose TfL to an unnecessary and expensive legal challenge which no TfL Officer would want to do. It could also delay the implementation of the change. The law is a blunt instrument. Well it begs the question as to why there's been speculation around routes R68/R70 which there hasn't been a consultation on, but apparantly there's going to be changes on Saturday. I highly doubt that this will go ahead especially given that there's no changes on the tfl website R68/R70 is temporary… When Hammersmith Bridge closed the routes were immediately truncated away as an emergency.
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Post by secretbu5dude on Sept 6, 2023 18:46:04 GMT
Surprised they're even bothering with this consultation, I can't see any reason not to introduce the 618, and the routing of the E1 Osterley extension has already been consulted on previously as an extension to the 112. Wasn't the E1 extension already consulted on as part of the Crossrail bus changes? The West London section also covered the 266/306/etc, as well as the more recent minor changes to the 95/E5. If memory serves correct, E1 was proposed a minor frequency reduction 🤔 5bph on the Sunday daytime I think was the move.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 6, 2023 20:27:40 GMT
Can't see why they can't go ahead with extending the route without consultation Much as it may surprise you (or me!), there may be people who object to extending the E1.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Sept 17, 2023 8:27:19 GMT
It appears that route 618 will be introduced to serve two schools in the Gillette Corner area, with completely different start and end times. Bolder Academy starts at 0840 and ends at 1550, with Nishkam starting at 0820 and finishing at 1515. I wonder if there'll be one journey to serve each school or whether one (or both) school will change their start and end times.
Talking of timings, who has the final say over a bus route's schedule? Does TfL have to sign it off and, if they do, is this just red tape or do they often reject a schedule? For example, if a vehicle on route H28 that was timed to leave Gillette Corner at 1530 was delayed to run at 1545, would TfL have the power to reject this? Further to this, if a 1530 journey was consistently running at about 1545 even though the timetable still says 1530, would TfL get involved?
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 16, 2023 17:53:09 GMT
Interestingly it says on the consultation page that the report will be published in late 2023, as opposed to all of the other consultations which do not give any sort of timeframe.
Additionally, the 618 was not included in the December tendering programme update, so its ITT has been issued.
Therefore I would highly expect the results to be published this week, before the Christmas period.
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