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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 16, 2023 19:39:04 GMT
Interestingly it says on the consultation page that the report will be published in late 2023, as opposed to all of the other consultations which do not give any sort of timeframe. Additionally, the 618 was not included in the December tendering programme update, so its ITT has been issued. Therefore I would highly expect the results to be published this week, before the Christmas period. I wonder if TfL were waiting for the decision by the government which came through this week before confirming anything. Incidentally the plans for the Osterley redevelopment were approved this week by Michael Gove.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 29, 2024 22:29:17 GMT
I'm guessing this one will be the next London Bus consultation which will have its results published soon. Should be released sometime in February, which would be 2 months later than originally planned.
I wouldn't be surprised if the tender results for routes 618 and E1 are released on the same day as when the consultation results are published.
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Post by londonbuses on Jan 29, 2024 23:06:18 GMT
I'm guessing this one will be the next London Bus consultation which will have its results published soon. Should be released sometime in February, which would be 2 months later than originally planned. I wouldn't be surprised if the tender results for routes 618 and E1 are released on the same day as when the consultation results are published. I wouldn't be surprised if Abellio already know they have won the 618 and plan to crosslink it to the 111, which would explain why an extra bus was ordered for the route.
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Post by londonbuses on Mar 7, 2024 12:18:46 GMT
Update 7 March 2024
Following our consultation in Autumn 2023, we’re extending the E1 to Osterley and introducing the 618, a new school route in Isleworth.
E1 bus route extension – From May 2027 we’ll extend the E1 to the former Osterley Tesco site, when a new housing development opens there. We can bring this date forward if necessary.
New 618 school route – From September 2024, we’ll introduce a new ‘school days only’ bus between Ivybridge Estate and Bolder Academy via Macfarlane Lane.
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 7, 2024 12:36:20 GMT
Update 7 March 2024 Following our consultation in Autumn 2023, we’re extending the E1 to Osterley and introducing the 618, a new school route in Isleworth. E1 bus route extension – From May 2027 we’ll extend the E1 to the former Osterley Tesco site, when a new housing development opens there. We can bring this date forward if necessary. New 618 school route – From September 2024, we’ll introduce a new ‘school days only’ bus between Ivybridge Estate and Bolder Academy via Macfarlane Lane. Didn't realise the development was that far away. Makes sense why the E1 was awarded with the same PVR as before
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 7, 2024 13:27:41 GMT
Update 7 March 2024 Following our consultation in Autumn 2023, we’re extending the E1 to Osterley and introducing the 618, a new school route in Isleworth. E1 bus route extension – From May 2027 we’ll extend the E1 to the former Osterley Tesco site, when a new housing development opens there. We can bring this date forward if necessary. New 618 school route – From September 2024, we’ll introduce a new ‘school days only’ bus between Ivybridge Estate and Bolder Academy via Macfarlane Lane. Didn't realise the development was that far away. Makes sense why the E1 was awarded with the same PVR as before Even so, I think there would still be benefits of going ahead with the extension now, particularly to increase capacity via South Ealing. I also think the E1 should go a bit further than Osterley, maybe double running to the Tesco then continuing south to West Middlesex Hospital, or possibly somewhere further like Hounslow (via Osterley Station) or Richmond (via West Middlesex)? Considering the redevelopments still seem to be quite far off, I wonder why TFL awarded the E1's current contract at RATP on the basis of extending to Osterley? Or if RATP even would have bid for the E1 if they knew it would remain as Ealing-Greenford for the full contract, at least not out of AV. Maybe RATP didn't bid this time, or could even be the reason why they handed back the contract early (although they probably could have kept the E1 in its current form out of RP or V instead)?
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 7, 2024 14:39:46 GMT
Didn't realise the development was that far away. Makes sense why the E1 was awarded with the same PVR as before Even so, I think there would still be benefits of going ahead with the extension now, particularly to increase capacity via South Ealing. I also think the E1 should go a bit further than Osterley, maybe double running to the Tesco then continuing south to West Middlesex Hospital, or possibly somewhere further like Hounslow (via Osterley Station) or Richmond (via West Middlesex)? Considering the redevelopments still seem to be quite far off, I wonder why TFL awarded the E1's current contract at RATP on the basis of extending to Osterley? Or if RATP even would have bid for the E1 if they knew it would remain as Ealing-Greenford for the full contract, at least not out of AV. Maybe RATP didn't bid this time, or could even be the reason why they handed back the contract early (although they probably could have kept the E1 in its current form out of RP or V instead)? I think the trouble with further extending the E1 would be capacity - if it extended somewhere busy it might mean residents of the new estate might struggle to get on board their new bus service. I think Osterley is enough.
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Post by busman on Mar 7, 2024 15:15:01 GMT
2027? I’m questioning whether the E1 is the right route to serve the development. Residents will have access to Hounslow and the Piccadilly Line via the H28 and H91. Access to Ealing Broadway via a connection to the E8. What is missing is a connection to Southall and the Lizzie Line station. It will be easier grabbing a seat at Southall than at Ealing Broadway for sure.
If/when the Southall bus changes take place, maybe TfL should consider routing the E5 to the Osterley development instead of the current proposal to loop it back on Merrick Road. E5 buses could instead continue along Norwood Road serving Tentelow Lane, Windmill Lane and Syon Lane down to the new development. There are numerous schools and facilities along that route which would benefit from a direct service. It looks like a long extension on paper, but the journey time will be quite reliable and quick due to a relatively long distance between stops along the top part of Windmill Lane after Warren Farm. The frequency of the E5 would probably be more appropriate for the development and it would avoid risking reliability of the high frequency E1 just for the sake of serving some densely packed high rises nowhere near its current catchment area.
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 7, 2024 15:52:44 GMT
2027? I’m questioning whether the E1 is the right route to serve the development. Residents will have access to Hounslow and the Piccadilly Line via the H28 and H91. Access to Ealing Broadway via a connection to the E8. What is missing is a connection to Southall and the Lizzie Line station. It will be easier grabbing a seat at Southall than at Ealing Broadway for sure. If/when the Southall bus changes take place, maybe TfL should consider routing the E5 to the Osterley development instead of the current proposal to loop it back on Merrick Road. E5 buses could instead continue along Norwood Road serving Tentelow Lane, Windmill Lane and Syon Lane down to the new development. There are numerous schools and facilities along that route which would benefit from a direct service. It looks like a long extension on paper, but the journey time will be quite reliable and quick due to a relatively long distance between stops along the top part of Windmill Lane after Warren Farm. The frequency of the E5 would probably be more appropriate for the development and it would avoid risking reliability of the high frequency E1 just for the sake of serving some densely packed high rises nowhere near its current catchment area. I think Hounslow and Ealing will likely be the main destinations from the redevelopment. Something like the E1 extension will be needed, as the E8 doesn't stop that close to the development - though I am unsure if there will be the demand for a high frequency DD route. I think Ealing Broadway is fine for an Elizabeth Line connection, certainly closer than Southall. And in terms of rail links generally, if anything the priority should be to reinstate a higher frequency on SWR services at Syon Lane Station to/from Waterloo. Would this be possible once all of the new 701s enter service? Ideally a more direct bus link to Hounslow should be looked into as well - compared to the current H28 service. I've suggested before that the 117 could divert up to terminate at Osterley, then send the 235 to West Middlesex, and introduce a new DD route covering Brentford-Hounslow. A local link between Osterley and Brentford would be useful too. Maybe amend the H28 somehow, or could even loop the 195 up to Osterley from Brentford (via Syon Lane Station) - this would also link Osterley to Boston Manor Station, Ealing Hospital and Southall, and stop close by to Hanwell Station.
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 7, 2024 15:53:49 GMT
Even so, I think there would still be benefits of going ahead with the extension now, particularly to increase capacity via South Ealing. I also think the E1 should go a bit further than Osterley, maybe double running to the Tesco then continuing south to West Middlesex Hospital, or possibly somewhere further like Hounslow (via Osterley Station) or Richmond (via West Middlesex)? Considering the redevelopments still seem to be quite far off, I wonder why TFL awarded the E1's current contract at RATP on the basis of extending to Osterley? Or if RATP even would have bid for the E1 if they knew it would remain as Ealing-Greenford for the full contract, at least not out of AV. Maybe RATP didn't bid this time, or could even be the reason why they handed back the contract early (although they probably could have kept the E1 in its current form out of RP or V instead)? I think the trouble with further extending the E1 would be capacity - if it extended somewhere busy it might mean residents of the new estate might struggle to get on board their new bus service. I think Osterley is enough. If a link from Ealing to West Middlesex is needed, would an E2 extension perhaps work instead?
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 7, 2024 17:14:38 GMT
It's a slight shame though its not till 2027 as it would have helped the 65 out.
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Post by paulo on Mar 7, 2024 17:26:56 GMT
I think the trouble with further extending the E1 would be capacity - if it extended somewhere busy it might mean residents of the new estate might struggle to get on board their new bus service. I think Osterley is enough. If a link from Ealing to West Middlesex is needed, would an E2 extension perhaps work instead? So London United refurbished 12 ADHs for an extended route that wouldn’t have commenced during their contract tenure. The shambles that is TfL.
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Post by YX10FFN on Mar 7, 2024 17:48:52 GMT
If a link from Ealing to West Middlesex is needed, would an E2 extension perhaps work instead? So London United refurbished 12 ADHs for an extended route that wouldn’t have commenced during their contract tenure. The shambles that is TfL. It all depends on the level and quality of communication between RATP and TFL. If RATP were simply being optimistic about their chances to win the E1 and preparing early for the extension then that's obviously on them. But if TFL had assured them of a rough date for the extension that may have been the reason they bid in the first place then if I were RATP I would be very frustrated with TFL. Performance data on the E1 hasn't been great and I can't imagine it's made them much money at all.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 7, 2024 18:31:28 GMT
If a link from Ealing to West Middlesex is needed, would an E2 extension perhaps work instead? So London United refurbished 12 ADHs for an extended route that wouldn’t have commenced during their contract tenure. The shambles that is TfL. I don't think TfL can be held entirely to blame, TfL could not have known that planning issues would delay the development. And nine of those twelve buses would have been refurbished anyway.
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Post by busman on Mar 7, 2024 18:32:50 GMT
2027? I’m questioning whether the E1 is the right route to serve the development. Residents will have access to Hounslow and the Piccadilly Line via the H28 and H91. Access to Ealing Broadway via a connection to the E8. What is missing is a connection to Southall and the Lizzie Line station. It will be easier grabbing a seat at Southall than at Ealing Broadway for sure. If/when the Southall bus changes take place, maybe TfL should consider routing the E5 to the Osterley development instead of the current proposal to loop it back on Merrick Road. E5 buses could instead continue along Norwood Road serving Tentelow Lane, Windmill Lane and Syon Lane down to the new development. There are numerous schools and facilities along that route which would benefit from a direct service. It looks like a long extension on paper, but the journey time will be quite reliable and quick due to a relatively long distance between stops along the top part of Windmill Lane after Warren Farm. The frequency of the E5 would probably be more appropriate for the development and it would avoid risking reliability of the high frequency E1 just for the sake of serving some densely packed high rises nowhere near its current catchment area. I think Hounslow and Ealing will likely be the main destinations from the redevelopment. Something like the E1 extension will be needed, as the E8 doesn't stop that close to the development - though I am unsure if there will be the demand for a high frequency DD route. I think Ealing Broadway is fine for an Elizabeth Line connection, certainly closer than Southall. And in terms of rail links generally, if anything the priority should be to reinstate a higher frequency on SWR services at Syon Lane Station to/from Waterloo. Would this be possible once all of the new 701s enter service? Ideally a more direct bus link to Hounslow should be looked into as well - compared to the current H28 service. I've suggested before that the 117 could divert up to terminate at Osterley, then send the 235 to West Middlesex, and introduce a new DD route covering Brentford-Hounslow. A local link between Osterley and Brentford would be useful too. Maybe amend the H28 somehow, or could even loop the 195 up to Osterley from Brentford (via Syon Lane Station) - this would also link Osterley to Boston Manor Station, Ealing Hospital and Southall, and stop close by to Hanwell Station. I agree with your point about SWR services from Syon Lane. A development of that size and the existing residents could do with a few extra stopping services at busier times. Call me cynical, but I think this E1 extension is no longer linked to solid demand. The developer is probably paying for a bus link to Ealing Broadway, hence the delay until 2027. Splashing “direct to Ealing Broadway in x minutes” sounds sexier on a marketing brochure than “Southall in 10 minutes”. Gotta sell those apartments hard to foreign investors… If Ealing is a major travel destination for residents of the new development, I still don’t see how extending the E1 is the best way to do that. Given the E1 extension isn’t happening until the first homes are ready indicates that the aforementioned role of supporting the 65 is no longer an objective. Also GSK are vacating the Brentford building, which further dampens demand. So why make the high frequency E1 contend with traffic on the A4 and disruption during Brentford games just to serve this development? IMHO linking the development with Ealing would be better done by a short extension of the E2. It would require a lower PVR increase and would actually create better links to serve Brentford, West Ealing, as well as the main Ealing Broadway shopping area.
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