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Post by yunus on Aug 31, 2023 23:36:50 GMT
I just cannot express how valuable those good old days were. Now I am trying to look forward but nothing seems as glamourous anymore.
All good things come to an end!
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 1, 2023 0:18:09 GMT
I just cannot express how valuable those good old days were. Now I am trying to look forward but nothing seems as glamourous anymore. All good things come to an end! Personally, I think there's still plenty of glory days to come. Whilst it's always good to look back, and maybe miss certain things like Tridents (I'll even miss the Enviro 400s when they come off the 86,) I'm equally looking forward to the new Wright Electrics coming to Stagecoach, the new BZL IMO looks fantastic and I'm really looking forward to them coming to London, particularly the DD version. I've seen so many fleets come and go in East London, from the Titans and the mixed bag of buses at Capital Citybus and Grey Green (yes, I am that old,) and I remember the C and D stock coming through Barking Station, but I wouldn't swap the S-stock for any of them. IMO, I'd rather a bus scene that moves with the times. The Electric "revolution" is just the start of it, and I'm sure better and more futuristic models will come in the future, and whilst it's good to look back, Titans, Metrobuses, Routemasters all belong in the past, and eventually, Scanias, Enviro 400s, B9TLs etc will be part of that past.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 1, 2023 2:32:55 GMT
Was a sad day when the RMLs went. I remember Upton Park did a few specials on routes 147 and 473 and maybe other routes using the green RMC than used to run on the 15 before the last day. I used to like the various different buses used on the route especially the RMA! Also in this day the 15 moved to BW. I remember the cavalcade of Routemasters passing my train at Limehouse on the last day of RMs on the 15, and later on, talking to enthusiasts travelling up to Bow for the last day of the 8 on my train running up from Lewisham to Stratford. However, I can also remember the 03-reg Tridents coming into service, particularly at BK on the 5. They were always my absolute favourite batch of Tridents, with the original S-BWC and T-KPU batches coming in a close second. For me, in terms of Stagecoach Tridents, I always preferred the V MEV batch at PD over the rest simply as they sounded so beastly and were very loud motors and second would the LV52 SWB batch at TL with the rarer 3 spd Voith Euro III engine combo - made using the 75 all the more enjoyable I only rode S801 BWC (TA1) and a couple of T KPU's (including one with Brighton & Hove, that one was absolutely terrible) and whilst they're not bad overall, I was never really bowled over by them either
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 1, 2023 8:37:42 GMT
I remember the cavalcade of Routemasters passing my train at Limehouse on the last day of RMs on the 15, and later on, talking to enthusiasts travelling up to Bow for the last day of the 8 on my train running up from Lewisham to Stratford. However, I can also remember the 03-reg Tridents coming into service, particularly at BK on the 5. They were always my absolute favourite batch of Tridents, with the original S-BWC and T-KPU batches coming in a close second. For me, in terms of Stagecoach Tridents, I always preferred the V MEV batch at PD over the rest simply as they sounded so beastly and were very loud motors and second would the LV52 SWB batch at TL with the rarer 3 spd Voith Euro III engine combo - made using the 75 all the more enjoyable I only rode S801 BWC (TA1) and a couple of T KPU's (including one with Brighton & Hove, that one was absolutely terrible) and whilst they're not bad overall, I was never really bowled over by them either I think for me the T KPUs were just so different to anything we had before in East London Agree about the LV52 SWB Tridents, 17526 was at BK for a while and went like a rocket.
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 1, 2023 19:14:03 GMT
I just cannot express how valuable those good old days were. Now I am trying to look forward but nothing seems as glamourous anymore. All good things come to an end! Personally, I think there's still plenty of glory days to come. Whilst it's always good to look back, and maybe miss certain things like Tridents (I'll even miss the Enviro 400s when they come off the 86,) I'm equally looking forward to the new Wright Electrics coming to Stagecoach, the new BZL IMO looks fantastic and I'm really looking forward to them coming to London, particularly the DD version. I've seen so many fleets come and go in East London, from the Titans and the mixed bag of buses at Capital Citybus and Grey Green (yes, I am that old,) and I remember the C and D stock coming through Barking Station, but I wouldn't swap the S-stock for any of them. IMO, I'd rather a bus scene that moves with the times. The Electric "revolution" is just the start of it, and I'm sure better and more futuristic models will come in the future, and whilst it's good to look back, Titans, Metrobuses, Routemasters all belong in the past, and eventually, Scanias, Enviro 400s, B9TLs etc will be part of that past. I agree it's exciting all this new tech and new buses coming but I too can't help but miss the old days when there was a bit of variety different coloured buses , different engines , different gearboxes , different sounds , just a bit boring now all over red and no gearbox just one continuous sound and that annoying fake electric trolleybus bell sound but yes we have to move with the times I guess and weird to think of Tridents as heritage when 20 years ago Metrobuses and Titans would of been heritage , be interesting what will be about in another 20 years maybe Electric retrofitted LT's 😛
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 2, 2023 5:45:23 GMT
Route 15 gained nice new shiny low floor ALX Tridents on all days of the week and at all times if I remember rightly of the top of my head ... Where the heck has 20 years gone time literally flies very scary . Was a sad day when the RMLs went. I remember Upton Park did a few specials on routes 147 and 473 and maybe other routes using the green RMC than used to run on the 15 before the last day. I used to like the various different buses used on the route especially the RMA! Also in this day the 15 moved to BW. A milestone the RMLs achieved was that the final ones entered service in 1968 but routine withdrawals did not commence until 2003. I doubt any other type before or since has remained mainly intact for as long as 35 years.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 2, 2023 5:49:24 GMT
We were enjoying the then new DLAs on the 242, and the 243 had DLPs for a short while before they moved to Enfield! There was an array of operator liveries, and buses were more enjoyable with reasonable road speeds It was certainly a good year for new vehicles, including also the introduction of the DW variant DB250s south of the river. There was also the introduction of the four speed Voith option for Volvo B7TLs and Dennis Tridents which firms like Go Ahead and Firstbus took orders on with both manufacturers. Was particularly happy on the PVL order to convert the 155 back to double deckers...as well as the similar aged PDL version allocated to SW, even though the latter weren't too popular to the depot due to their steep inclined foot pedals (more for me to choose from for those night duties). Indeed, I think 2003 saw around 1000 new double-decks, one of the highest ever such figures.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Sept 2, 2023 6:48:33 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 7:36:24 GMT
In fairness there was more to play with back in 2003 with alot of growth potential with many routes running with low freqs back then and the underground being smaller then it is now with no LO, Elizabeth line. Even now the 60, 407 and 466 are still more frequent then they were in 2003 thou ofcourse the 119, 264, 412 and 468 are now less frequent.
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 2, 2023 21:23:14 GMT
Whilst I agree on the pointless renumbering in 2023 in 2003 there was basically a lot of the same thing renumbering of overlapping sections (something I think should of been kept or at least had the through route after 2100 on some routes ) but 2003 we had the low floor revolution coming through which at the time was a game changer I suppose in 2023 we have the Electric Revolution don't know if it's game changing though as it's going to throw up a lot of problems along the way i.e range , space for charging equipment, infrastructure changes and the like but yes London buses were a lot better in general in 2003 from a enthusiast point of view and your general Joe public view , and in a sense we have new night routes with the bringing back of 24 hour routes on some routes like the 158 for example so still not as good but could be worst .
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 21:38:21 GMT
Whilst I agree on the pointless renumbering in 2023 in 2003 there was basically a lot of the same thing renumbering of overlapping sections (something I think should of been kept or at least had the through route after 2100 on some routes ) but 2003 we had the low floor revolution coming through which at the time was a game changer I suppose in 2023 we have the Electric Revolution don't know if it's game changing though as it's going to through up a lot of problems along the way i.e range , space for charging equipment, infrastructure changes and the like but yes London buses were a lot better in general in 2003 from a enthusiast point of view and your general Joe public view , and in a sense we have new night routes with the bringing back of 24 hour routes on some routes like the 158 for example so still not as good but could be worst . I was very happy when the 2's overlapping sections were organised into the present 2 and 432 situation, saw quite a few people get really confused by why some 2's only went Brixton and others went Marylebone and vice versa with Norwood Garage and Crystal Palace. People adapted really quickly to the 432 number and it feels like it's been around forever (even though it's only 20 years old)
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Post by uakari on Sept 2, 2023 22:44:13 GMT
I just cannot express how valuable those good old days were. Now I am trying to look forward but nothing seems as glamourous anymore. All good things come to an end! Personally, I think there's still plenty of glory days to come. Whilst it's always good to look back, and maybe miss certain things like Tridents (I'll even miss the Enviro 400s when they come off the 86,) I'm equally looking forward to the new Wright Electrics coming to Stagecoach, the new BZL IMO looks fantastic and I'm really looking forward to them coming to London, particularly the DD version. I've seen so many fleets come and go in East London, from the Titans and the mixed bag of buses at Capital Citybus and Grey Green (yes, I am that old,) and I remember the C and D stock coming through Barking Station, but I wouldn't swap the S-stock for any of them. IMO, I'd rather a bus scene that moves with the times. The Electric "revolution" is just the start of it, and I'm sure better and more futuristic models will come in the future, and whilst it's good to look back, Titans, Metrobuses, Routemasters all belong in the past, and eventually, Scanias, Enviro 400s, B9TLs etc will be part of that past. I don't think we'll be seeing any more glory days of actual service improvements for a long time, if ever.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 3, 2023 5:54:45 GMT
Whilst I agree on the pointless renumbering in 2023 in 2003 there was basically a lot of the same thing renumbering of overlapping sections (something I think should of been kept or at least had the through route after 2100 on some routes ) but 2003 we had the low floor revolution coming through which at the time was a game changer I suppose in 2023 we have the Electric Revolution don't know if it's game changing though as it's going to through up a lot of problems along the way i.e range , space for charging equipment, infrastructure changes and the like but yes London buses were a lot better in general in 2003 from a enthusiast point of view and your general Joe public view , and in a sense we have new night routes with the bringing back of 24 hour routes on some routes like the 158 for example so still not as good but could be worst . I was very happy when the 2's overlapping sections were organised into the present 2 and 432 situation, saw quite a few people get really confused by why some 2's only went Brixton and others went Marylebone and vice versa with Norwood Garage and Crystal Palace. People adapted really quickly to the 432 number and it feels like it's been around forever (even though it's only 20 years old) Or 332 as it could have be called.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Sept 6, 2023 17:54:40 GMT
The 205 wouldn't necessarily count as it replaced the original SL routes a year earlier, but it'd be hard to imagine Euston Road and the Paddington KX/St Pancras and beyond link without it today!
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 6, 2023 19:03:34 GMT
The 205 wouldn't necessarily count as it replaced the original SL routes a year earlier, but it'd be hard to imagine Euston Road and the Paddington KX/St Pancras and beyond link without it today! You may have had to had if the 205 was cutback this year.
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