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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 22, 2024 13:55:40 GMT
I only seem to take the SL8 on Saturday midday (likely be on it tomorrow too) and it does not surprise me, always packed. 176, now that surprises me in that I have never really noticed that route but will look out for it. In all four lists.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 22, 2024 13:58:06 GMT
Thanks for sharing - no time to look at the data but... - Immediate point to jump out is the number of routes that serve Southall that are on the list (105/120/195/482/E5/SL8). - The 195 needs to be decked! - 482 weekday late evenings may be explained by Late Shift workers returning home from LHR (T4/T5/Cargo) (??) / conversely 482 Sunday 1000 to 1900 may be shift working travelling to LHR..??) - Surprised no Barking routes made the list seeing how it's always crazy-busy when I visit - 132 (wonder if "Sat Late Evening" is O2 connected..??) I would imagine it's because Barking users don't usually wait for a specific bus. All major corridors have multiple routes so any flow towards Ilford is split between the 169/EL1, towards Becontree its the 5/EL2, towards East Ham it's the 5/238 and towards Lodge Avenue it's the 62/368. |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 22, 2024 14:29:30 GMT
I only seem to take the SL8 on Saturday midday (likely be on it tomorrow too) and it does not surprise me, always packed. 176, now that surprises me in that I have never really noticed that route but will look out for it. In all four lists. Why? The 176 is one of the few routes that departs central London packed. A glimpse of a southbound bus on Charing Cross Road and you would never think it has only served a couple stops for the passenger subscription to be that high. The area it serves around Dulwich has no direct train alternative to central London, so there is little wonder why the 176 is so well used throughout. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 22, 2024 14:45:02 GMT
Thanks for sharing - no time to look at the data but... - Immediate point to jump out is the number of routes that serve Southall that are on the list (105/120/195/482/E5/SL8). - The 195 needs to be decked! - 482 weekday late evenings may be explained by Late Shift workers returning home from LHR (T4/T5/Cargo) (??) / conversely 482 Sunday 1000 to 1900 may be shift working travelling to LHR..??) - Surprised no Barking routes made the list seeing how it's always crazy-busy when I visit - 132 (wonder if "Sat Late Evening" is O2 connected..??) I would imagine it's because Barking users don't usually wait for a specific bus. All major corridors have multiple routes so any flow towards Ilford is split between the 169/EL1, towards Becontree its the 5/EL2, towards East Ham it's the 5/238 and towards Lodge Avenue it's the 62/368. But the same is true for Brixton where each corridor has multiple routes yet several Brixton routes made every list with some popping up on more than one. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Mar 22, 2024 18:45:18 GMT
TfL has released data from a FOI request regarding bus usage occupancy from the capacity provided on certain times of the day and week. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-4382-2324tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-3958-2324Top 10 busiest routes on a Saturday Midday (10:00 to 19:00)1. 195: 92% 2. 607(SL8): 90% 3. 55 & 176: 82% 4. 37: 81% 5. 9, 86 & 281: 80% 6. 25: 78% 7. 285, 296 & 482: 76% 8. 1, 181 & 279: 75% 9. 120 & W7: 74% 10: C1: 73% Top 10 busiest routes on a Sunday Midday (10:00 to 19:00)1. 195: 97% 2. 159 96% 3. 94: 93% 4. 482: 89% 5. 55: 88% 6. 176 & 372: 87% 7. E5: 86% 8. 35 & 105: 83% 9. 237: 82% 10. 44 & 203: 81% Top 10 busiest routes on Weekday Late Evenings (22:00 to 00:00)1. 482: 74% 2. 176: 71% 3. 159: 64% 4. 12: 63% 5. 35: 62% 6. 224: 59% 7. 453: 58% 8. 29 & 36: 56% 9. 81 & 105: 54% 10: 109 & 133: 53% Top 10 busiest routes on Saturday Late Evenings (22:00 to 00:00)1. 176: 100% 2. 86: 88% 3. 425: 85% 4. 37: 83% 5. 47: 81% 6. 132: 78% 7. 225 & 436: 77% 8. 109: 76% 9: 185: 75% 10: 25, 118, 159, 250 & 453: 74% I am incredibly unsurprised by the Saturday figure for the 9 though I did not think it'd be in the top 5! At the risk of sounding like a broken record, a frequency increase on Saturdays (and eventually Sundays) to 8 and 10 minutes would be very welcome. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 22, 2024 19:12:38 GMT
TfL has released data from a FOI request regarding bus usage occupancy from the capacity provided on certain times of the day and week. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-4382-2324tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-3958-2324Top 10 busiest routes on a Saturday Midday (10:00 to 19:00)1. 195: 92% 2. 607(SL8): 90% 3. 55 & 176: 82% 4. 37: 81% 5. 9, 86 & 281: 80% 6. 25: 78% 7. 285, 296 & 482: 76% 8. 1, 181 & 279: 75% 9. 120 & W7: 74% 10: C1: 73% Top 10 busiest routes on a Sunday Midday (10:00 to 19:00)1. 195: 97% 2. 159 96% 3. 94: 93% 4. 482: 89% 5. 55: 88% 6. 176 & 372: 87% 7. E5: 86% 8. 35 & 105: 83% 9. 237: 82% 10. 44 & 203: 81% Top 10 busiest routes on Weekday Late Evenings (22:00 to 00:00)1. 482: 74% 2. 176: 71% 3. 159: 64% 4. 12: 63% 5. 35: 62% 6. 224: 59% 7. 453: 58% 8. 29 & 36: 56% 9. 81 & 105: 54% 10: 109 & 133: 53% Top 10 busiest routes on Saturday Late Evenings (22:00 to 00:00)1. 176: 100% 2. 86: 88% 3. 425: 85% 4. 37: 83% 5. 47: 81% 6. 132: 78% 7. 225 & 436: 77% 8. 109: 76% 9: 185: 75% 10: 25, 118, 159, 250 & 453: 74% I am incredibly unsurprised by the Saturday figure for the 9 though I did not think it'd be in the top 5! At the risk of sounding like a broken record, a frequency increase on Saturdays (and eventually Sundays) to 8 and 10 minutes would be very welcome. Yes and no. There is Still 20% capacity on average available at those times though. 6 x a bus capacity of 82 means 492 places available between Hammersmith and Aldwych Still leave room 98 passengers then it currently filled on average. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 22, 2024 20:33:16 GMT
TfL has released data from a FOI request regarding bus usage occupancy from the capacity provided on certain times of the day and week. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-4382-2324tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-3958-2324Top 10 busiest routes on a Saturday Midday (10:00 to 19:00)1. 195: 92% 2. 607(SL8): 90% 3. 55 & 176: 82% 4. 37: 81% 5. 9, 86 & 281: 80% 6. 25: 78% 7. 285, 296 & 482: 76% 8. 1, 181 & 279: 75% 9. 120 & W7: 74% 10: C1: 73% Top 10 busiest routes on a Sunday Midday (10:00 to 19:00)1. 195: 97% 2. 159 96% 3. 94: 93% 4. 482: 89% 5. 55: 88% 6. 176 & 372: 87% 7. E5: 86% 8. 35 & 105: 83% 9. 237: 82% 10. 44 & 203: 81% Top 10 busiest routes on Weekday Late Evenings (22:00 to 00:00)1. 482: 74% 2. 176: 71% 3. 159: 64% 4. 12: 63% 5. 35: 62% 6. 224: 59% 7. 453: 58% 8. 29 & 36: 56% 9. 81 & 105: 54% 10: 109 & 133: 53% Top 10 busiest routes on Saturday Late Evenings (22:00 to 00:00)1. 176: 100% 2. 86: 88% 3. 425: 85% 4. 37: 83% 5. 47: 81% 6. 132: 78% 7. 225 & 436: 77% 8. 109: 76% 9: 185: 75% 10: 25, 118, 159, 250 & 453: 74% I am incredibly unsurprised by the Saturday figure for the 9 though I did not think it'd be in the top 5! At the risk of sounding like a broken record, a frequency increase on Saturdays (and eventually Sundays) to 8 and 10 minutes would be very welcome. No surprise either about the 94 on Sundays on the other side of Hyde Park. Buses leave Marble Arch full - or as close to full as it is comfortable to get. Most leisure travelers on a Sunday do not expect to have to stand, especially the elderly and those with small children. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 22, 2024 20:35:11 GMT
I only seem to take the SL8 on Saturday midday (likely be on it tomorrow too) and it does not surprise me, always packed. 176, now that surprises me in that I have never really noticed that route but will look out for it. In all four lists. Why? The 176 is one of the few routes that departs central London packed. A glimpse of a southbound bus on Charing Cross Road and you would never think it has only served a couple stops for the passenger subscription to be that high. The area it serves around Dulwich has no direct train alternative to central London, so there is little wonder why the 176 is so well used throughout. I always think it should be reinstated to Oxford Circus. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 22, 2024 20:36:43 GMT
Nothing to see here, let's give the 195 another single deck contract! The Sunday frequency is too low and needs an increase. I agree that decking is justified, at least given the demand on the Hayes to Southall section. I also think the route has got too long and that Hayes to Ealing Hospital is long enough, terminating within the grounds of Ealing Hospital would provide far better access to the hospital. Something else could be done with the Southall-Brentford section which probably doesn’t require double deckers. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 22, 2024 20:56:04 GMT
I only seem to take the SL8 on Saturday midday (likely be on it tomorrow too) and it does not surprise me, always packed. 176, now that surprises me in that I have never really noticed that route but will look out for it. In all four lists. Why? The 176 is one of the few routes that departs central London packed. A glimpse of a southbound bus on Charing Cross Road and you would never think it has only served a couple stops for the passenger subscription to be that high. The area it serves around Dulwich has no direct train alternative to central London, so there is little wonder why the 176 is so well used throughout. The 176 is currently curtailed at Aldwych. |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 22, 2024 22:29:15 GMT
Why? The 176 is one of the few routes that departs central London packed. A glimpse of a southbound bus on Charing Cross Road and you would never think it has only served a couple stops for the passenger subscription to be that high. The area it serves around Dulwich has no direct train alternative to central London, so there is little wonder why the 176 is so well used throughout. The 176 is currently curtailed at Aldwych. And the data was extrapolated from November 2022. I am aware of the temporary truncation but it has no bearing on these stats. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 8:51:45 GMT
Top 20 least used bus routes in London: 20: R2 - 199,268 (-) 19: 346 - 187,967 (+1) 18: 404 - 185,277 (+1) 17: 485 - 179,239 (+1) 16: 209 - 149,861 (-3) 15: 464 - 139,407 (-) 14: 467 - 130,456 (-) 13: 497 - 105,095 (+3) 12: 146 - 77,891 (-) 11: 375 - 70,563 (-) 10: U10 - 61,304 (-3) 9: R8 - 49,814 (-) 8: 327 - 48,612 (-) 7: R5/R10 - 41,795 (+1) 6: 549 - 36,429 (-1) 5: 347 - 29,996 (-) 4: 385 - 28,437 (-) 3: H3 - 20,564 (-) 2: 389 - 10,977 (-) 1: 399 - 8,381 (-) The 497's rise can be explained by a pretty much exact doubling of its patronage. Guess the Elizabeth Line opening kicked the route into gear, so to speak. Think the 404 would be much more useful if it served Caterham Village and Caterham Station rather than SCC route 411. You’d get a fair bit of commuter traffic on that. I’m not surprised to see the R8 there sadly, as much as it’s a handy link between Downe and Orpington Station, it’s just not frequent enough and not much can be done to improve it for reasons which become apparent once you use the route. The isolated community of Downe would be the perfect place to launch a TFL On Demand/Dial A Ride style service for all ages to get them into Orpington, Bromley or Biggin Hill. Similar to what Go Coach launched in Sevenoaks and it’s surrounding villages. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 23, 2024 10:23:45 GMT
The 176 is currently curtailed at Aldwych. And the data was extrapolated from November 2022. I am aware of the temporary truncation but it has no bearing on these stats. I'm not surprised that the 176 is busy in the evening as it serves theatreland in normal circumstances although the Penge end of the route is probably overbussed with the 197. I'm not sure why the northbound 176 couldn't be rerouted via Holborn to TCR during the Charing Cross Road roadworks? |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 23, 2024 10:38:57 GMT
Not surprising that the lowest used routes tend to be those with the lowest PVR but the 404 seems reasonably well used from what I see of it and I thought the frequency increase a few years ago was more than justified and a short extension to Caterham Station would make the route more useful as previously mentioned.
I'm not at all surprised about the R2 which makes the proposal to reroute the R1 to Biggin Hill at a higher frequency all the more puzzling.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2024 10:56:52 GMT
Not surprising that the lowest used routes tend to be those with the lowest PVR but the 404 seems reasonably well used from what I see of it and I thought the frequency increase a few years ago was more than justified and a short extension to Caterham Station would make the route more useful as previously mentioned. I'm not at all surprised about the R2 which makes the proposal to reroute the R1 to Biggin Hill at a higher frequency all the more puzzling. Probably the higher freq was why TFL realised after the consultation was launched that it wouldn't represent value for money. |
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