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Post by enviroPB on Oct 31, 2023 19:36:45 GMT
Due to the new layout, buses on the 91 technically can't terminate at Aldwych. If they were to, the last stop would be Holborn which would then pose the question of why the bus is being sent along Kingsway to turn around. An alighting stop would need to be added on the east side of the Aldwych but otherwise it seems feasible if not for the possible lack of stand space. I don't think there are any banned turns which would prevent this. The lack of a shared stop departing north from Aldwych might leave much to be desired though.
In a sense, another possible solution to this which out of coincidence was posted on the fantasy/proposal thread not long ago was extending the 91 to Waterloo in lieu of Trafalgar Square which would avoid the Strand and restore a KX/Waterloo link.
Overall, will be interesting to see if this proposal diverts any passengers from the 29 who would be heading into Central London from Wood Green.
I should just say at this point that I'm not advocating to remove the 91 from Trafalgar Square. It is a handy link from there to Euston & King's Cross, and I'm sure tourists keep that section of the 91 well populated. As for the proposed 91 sharing both its termini with the 29, I don't expect to see swathes of people lining up on Station Road for the 91 just yet. A 91 out of Wood Green would be marginally quicker to Nag's Head if the traffic conditions are right [around Hornsey Rise], but I don't foresee a huge modal shift beyond that.
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 31, 2023 20:08:38 GMT
In regards to cutting the 67 back to Turnpike Lane it would be a VERY short route. It already got cut back from the Aldgate end (controversially). Cutting the 67 back would be the death knell in my opinion Hence why I suggested it. Fair enough but I think that route should be extended. Question is where would be suitable?
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Post by vjaska on Oct 31, 2023 21:04:41 GMT
Hence why I suggested it. Fair enough but I think that route should be extended. Question is where would be suitable? Back to Aldgate instead of the 242 and ditch this merging two routes together statements that people on here are weirdly obsessed with Then put the 133 back to Liverpool Street and let the 242 takeover the 133's current section between Bank & Holborn basically back to almost how it used to be
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Post by Busboy105 on Oct 31, 2023 21:18:01 GMT
Dalston to Enfield is a long trip especially with the traffic. If you want to extend the 67, you could extend it to North Finchley to help out the 221 which does get packed This was something that myself and VMH2537 discussed a few years back on here as one suggestion but the space aspect of things could be an issue on the North Finchley end. Now with the superloop routes coming it will be even more evident. Yeah. Going to be interesting how North Finchley will look like when the SL1 and SL10 come to town
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Post by rjbarrett5 on Oct 31, 2023 22:13:49 GMT
Hence why I suggested it. Fair enough but I think that route should be extended. Question is where would be suitable? Stratford via Hackney.
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Post by B9TL205 on Oct 31, 2023 23:29:41 GMT
Fair enough but I think that route should be extended. Question is where would be suitable? Back to Aldgate instead of the 242 and ditch this merging two routes together statements that people on here are weirdly obsessed with Then put the 133 back to Liverpool Street and let the 242 takeover the 133's current section between Bank & Holborn basically back to almost how it used to be It felt as if TFL picked the 133 out of the blue when trying to replace the 521
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Post by YX10FFN on Nov 1, 2023 0:12:59 GMT
Back to Aldgate instead of the 242 and ditch this merging two routes together statements that people on here are weirdly obsessed with Then put the 133 back to Liverpool Street and let the 242 takeover the 133's current section between Bank & Holborn basically back to almost how it used to be It felt as if TFL picked the 133 out of the blue when trying to replace the 521 I keep banging on about this but I struggle to see how diverting the 17 via Newgate Street instead of Ludgate Hill, which probably costs pennies, wasn't done instead of yanking away the successful and long established 133.
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 1, 2023 0:24:51 GMT
Back to Aldgate instead of the 242 and ditch this merging two routes together statements that people on here are weirdly obsessed with Then put the 133 back to Liverpool Street and let the 242 takeover the 133's current section between Bank & Holborn basically back to almost how it used to be It felt as if TFL picked the 133 out of the blue when trying to replace the 521 In my opinion, extending the 98 from Holborn to London Bridge (with the 133 going back to Liverpool Street) would be the perfect solution for that section.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 1, 2023 11:59:45 GMT
The SL1 will already support the 221 to an extent between North Finchley and New Southgate, so could just extend the 67 as far as Arnos Grove? However, North Finchley is where the main flow of demand starts, hence is why the previous 5bph shorts were run there. Whilst extending the 67 would be useful, it's going to be excess capacity at the same time as I dont think 13bph necessary needed. What I think should be implemented is a Superloop express service between North Finchley and Turnpike Lane to allow faster and simpler journeys between the Finchley and the Wood Green flows whilst investing in capacity at the same time. I cannot see any express gaining much time over an existing 221, especially in the peaks when Friern Barnet Rd, Woodhouse Rd and Bounds Green Rd is solid with traffic. It has also been made worse by road narrowing, cycling warfare with pathtic poles etc. At times a light running 221 to Edgware from Wood Green does not even make much headway over that section than a 221 that is running in service.
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Post by T.R. on Nov 2, 2023 1:12:37 GMT
Hmm, not a bad set of changes. Terrible development name but that’s another issue. Again I am surprised TfL aren’t using the 91 extension as an opportunity to curtail it to Aldwych to maintain reliability. Due to the new layout, buses on the 91 technically can't terminate at Aldwych. If they were to, the last stop would be Holborn which would then pose the question of why the bus is being sent along Kingsway to turn around. I have been on a 91 terminated at Aldwych, the (GAL) driver took us round the eastern arm to terminate outside Bush House. Back to the scheme: I support the proposal, the 91 extension might even support local trips on the 41 and W3 from Crouch End - Wood Green?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 4, 2023 4:49:35 GMT
The 91 going to Wood Green is literally the 14A returning back to it's original roots. Not quite as the 14A ran to Turnpike Lane Station rather than Wood Green. It looks like the 123 is being pulled back to Turnpike Lane (using the stand space vacated by the 232) to make room for the 91 at Wood Green. Furthermore, route 14a went to Tottenham Court Road / Piccadilly Circus, with Trafalgar Square covered by route 77a until 1991 and route 30 in 1991-92.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 4, 2023 4:52:39 GMT
My thoughts exactly - Places it firmly within an Arriva gain in the future as well 👍 Arriva easily could have bid for the 91 in the past if they wanted to - WN is not far from Crouch End, definitely the next best placed garage for the route after HT. Once route 91 is extended to Wood Green, I would not want it re-awarded to Metroline at HT again. Arriva at WN would be great. Maybe, should I Squared put Arriva London under new management they will increase their bids for suitable work again.
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Post by danorak on Nov 4, 2023 23:25:40 GMT
It's unfortunate the route 123 is not routed on Lordship Lane via Wood Green as a lost opportunity. This would have established a high travel corridor from one of the busiest in North London between Tottenham High Road and Wood Green, travelling at a combined frequency of 13.5 bph. To this day, I couldn't understand why the 123 had to route via Turnpike Lane before reaching Wood Green. The 123 running via Turnpike Lane is a legacy of the days when the route continued to Winchmore Hill and Enfield. Not my area, but if a round the corner link from Westbury Avenue is still required, then perhaps extending a less frequent route like the 231 might work.
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Post by aaron1 on Nov 5, 2023 8:39:49 GMT
To bad there not cutting the 232 from St Raphael's to Brent Park to this can make the it Double Decker's maybe there no Stand space at Brent Park
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Post by Dad91 on Nov 5, 2023 13:54:42 GMT
I would diverted 123 to Edmonton Green or Enfield Town turnpike lane stand over bused. Having 123 it cause chaos.
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