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Post by vjaska on Nov 23, 2020 22:28:32 GMT
With the 49 loss, Abellio will have quite a few spare hybrids as not all from the 49/C3/E1 will be needed for the 156 (and possibly part of the 344 allocation). As there aren't any DD routes up for tender soon that Abellio could potentially bid for, perhaps these could be used to convert route 345 to hybrids? This would enable all diesel DDs to be withdrawn apart from the 12reg on the 207. If they aren't leased, maybe the remainder will be used to convert the 345 but it wouldn't surprise me to just let the 09 reg diesels see the contract out.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 23, 2020 22:36:43 GMT
With the 49 loss, Abellio will have quite a few spare hybrids as not all from the 49/C3/E1 will be needed for the 156 (and possibly part of the 344 allocation). As there aren't any DD routes up for tender soon that Abellio could potentially bid for, perhaps these could be used to convert route 345 to hybrids? This would enable all diesel DDs to be withdrawn apart from the 12reg on the 207. I agree with you that route 345 could become a home for those spare hybrids. May help Abellio retain the route in the future. Route 156 will probably take 17 hybrids from route 49’s current allocation of 23 E40Hs. Route 344 will need about 5 14 or 64 reg E40Hs from route 49’s current allocation in addition with its current 18 E40H MMCs. This leaves 18 or 19 14/64 reg E40Hs left to allocate for route 345. Could also see the 61 reg E40Hs from route 344 being allocated to route 345 to get rid of all the diesel E400s at Battersea.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 24, 2020 13:07:44 GMT
With the 49 loss, Abellio will have quite a few spare hybrids as not all from the 49/C3/E1 will be needed for the 156 (and possibly part of the 344 allocation). As there aren't any DD routes up for tender soon that Abellio could potentially bid for, perhaps these could be used to convert route 345 to hybrids? This would enable all diesel DDs to be withdrawn apart from the 12reg on the 207. If they aren't leased, maybe the remainder will be used to convert the 345 but it wouldn't surprise me to just let the 09 reg diesels see the contract out. If those 14/64 reg E40Hs are indeed leased it could be likely the firm would let the relevant numbers go and keep their company-owned E40Ds for the duration. In saying that mind you they did let 2401-13 go then reaquire them back for demand, so perhaps this time round they may play with the idea of converting the 345. Double-then¹ again with WL's electric fleet growing there could be proposals of moving the 345 back to WL on a possible new contract with electric buses. ¹ - too much overthinking
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Post by paulo on Nov 24, 2020 13:24:34 GMT
If they aren't leased, maybe the remainder will be used to convert the 345 but it wouldn't surprise me to just let the 09 reg diesels see the contract out. If those 14/64 reg E40Hs are indeed leased it could be likely the firm would let the relevant numbers go and keep their company-owned E40Ds for the duration. In saying that mind you they did let 2401-13 go then reaquire them back for demand, so perhaps this time round they may play with the idea of converting the 345. Double-then¹ again with WL's electric fleet growing there could be proposals of moving the 345 back to WL on a possible new contract with electrics buses. ¹ - too much overthinking From afar it seems to me that Abellio are good at keeping their fleet to a minimum requirement. Quite happy to return a batch if not needed even if they are 4/5 years old. Converting routes mid-contract also not their style. It has helped keep them competitive that’s for sure.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 25, 2020 23:12:30 GMT
Is the 415 ever busy and if so is it ever busy between Brixton & Old Kent Road ?
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2020 23:28:41 GMT
Is the 415 ever busy and if so is it ever busy between Brixton & Old Kent Road ? Yes, pre Covid it was very useful in providing assistance along the 133 corridor and the Tulse Hill corridor. The Old Kent Road was particularly introduced to provide assistance along their and replaced 172 extra journeys.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 26, 2020 2:24:15 GMT
Doing some quick calculations with the route losses of routes 49 and 414, the PVR reduction on route 344 and the pending move of route 415, Battersea will have a working total PVR (excluding spares) of 138 by the end of November 2021. This is the smallest total depot PVR the depot has had in quite a while and leaves a lot of space at the depot as the depot can hold over 200 buses.
Still on the optimistic side, a PVR of 138 is still a healthy amount of work and this makes Battersea viable for any route gains in the coming years either in surrounding areas near the depot or remotely (similar to route 27's current operation under Abellio).
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 26, 2020 10:34:41 GMT
Doing some quick calculations with the route losses of routes 49 and 414, the PVR reduction on route 344 and the pending move of route 415, Battersea will have a working total PVR (excluding spares) of 138 by the end of November 2021. This is the smallest total depot PVR the depot has had in quite a while and leaves a lot of space at the depot as the depot can hold over 200 buses. Still on the optimistic side, a PVR of 138 is still a healthy amount of work and this makes Battersea viable for any route gains in the coming years either in surrounding areas near the depot or remotely (similar to route 27's current operation under Abellio). I can see the firm trying for the 13 when that route comes up, would be interesting to see them up in Finchley. The Northern Line extension should hopefully be operational around then too putting QB in arguably one of the best places for the route.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 26, 2020 11:21:58 GMT
Doing some quick calculations with the route losses of routes 49 and 414, the PVR reduction on route 344 and the pending move of route 415, Battersea will have a working total PVR (excluding spares) of 138 by the end of November 2021. This is the smallest total depot PVR the depot has had in quite a while and leaves a lot of space at the depot as the depot can hold over 200 buses. Still on the optimistic side, a PVR of 138 is still a healthy amount of work and this makes Battersea viable for any route gains in the coming years either in surrounding areas near the depot or remotely (similar to route 27's current operation under Abellio). I can see the firm trying for the 13 when that route comes up, would be interesting to see them up in Finchley. The Northern Line extension should hopefully be operational around then too putting QB in arguably one of the best places for the route. I imagine they'll also try for the 148 where they could possibly do a similar busical chair strategy planned for the 63, (ie 148 to WL pushing 196 to QB).
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 26, 2020 11:41:20 GMT
I can see the firm trying for the 13 when that route comes up, would be interesting to see them up in Finchley. The Northern Line extension should hopefully be operational around then too putting QB in arguably one of the best places for the route. I imagine they'll also try for the 148 where they could possibly do a similar busical chair strategy planned for the 63, (ie 148 to WL pushing 196 to QB). I think the 148 might go to QB if won by Abellio
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 26, 2020 11:53:45 GMT
Doing some quick calculations with the route losses of routes 49 and 414, the PVR reduction on route 344 and the pending move of route 415, Battersea will have a working total PVR (excluding spares) of 138 by the end of November 2021. This is the smallest total depot PVR the depot has had in quite a while and leaves a lot of space at the depot as the depot can hold over 200 buses. Still on the optimistic side, a PVR of 138 is still a healthy amount of work and this makes Battersea viable for any route gains in the coming years either in surrounding areas near the depot or remotely (similar to route 27's current operation under Abellio). QB is in quite a strategic location so plenty of potential to replace these losses, especially having gained the 27 which is not particularly close to QB. The 63 gain may also result in something moving to QB such as the 196. Routes 148, 507, 521 and 690 are all due for tender very soon, followed next year by the 2, 13, 19, 249 and 432 as possible gains.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 30, 2020 20:09:18 GMT
Does the 969 have any patronage data
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Post by galwhv69 on Nov 30, 2020 20:37:41 GMT
Does the 969 have any patronage data No
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 1, 2020 2:52:42 GMT
Does the 969 have any patronage data What do you want to know?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 1, 2020 10:18:08 GMT
Does the 969 have any patronage data What do you want to know? How many passengers does it get in a year?
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