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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 27, 2022 17:03:31 GMT
Have been sent an Abellio staff notice which says ISA (Intelligent Speed Assist) has been installed on the following routes:
BC: 109, 130, 464 TF: 267, 490, H26, R68, R70 GW: 195, E10, E11 WL: 196
It will be switched on tomorrow (28 July 2022)
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 27, 2022 18:10:47 GMT
I don't suppose anyone knows what route(s) 8845/47/60/63 are allocated to at TF, if allocated to anything at all. 8845/60 were for sale for 6 months and never sold, I wonder if they were reacquired on a lease or whether they were outright purchased by Abellio. Mostly appear on the 490
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Post by sleckdeck on Jul 27, 2022 18:31:26 GMT
Have been sent an Abellio staff notice which says ISA (Intelligent Speed Assist) has been installed on the following routes: BC: 109, 130, 464 TF: 267, 490, H26, R68, R70 GW: 195, E10, E11 WL: 196 It will be switched on tomorrow (28 July 2022) 267 is the worst route to run it on, it’s already dreadful without the limiters. The 490 drivers crawl at about 5mph anyways so don’t see any point.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 27, 2022 18:36:23 GMT
Have been sent an Abellio staff notice which says ISA (Intelligent Speed Assist) has been installed on the following routes: BC: 109, 130, 464 TF: 267, 490, H26, R68, R70 GW: 195, E10, E11 WL: 196 It will be switched on tomorrow (28 July 2022) 267 is the worst route to run it on, it’s already dreadful without the limiters. The 490 drivers crawl at about 5mph anyways so don’t see any point. Nothing is wrong with ISA, if someone has an issue with it then they're advocated a driver breaking the law. The issue is 20mph Road limits.
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Post by sleckdeck on Jul 27, 2022 18:45:22 GMT
267 is the worst route to run it on, it’s already dreadful without the limiters. The 490 drivers crawl at about 5mph anyways so don’t see any point. Nothing is wrong with ISA, if someone has an issue with it then they're advocated a driver breaking the law. The issue is 20mph Road limits. As selfish as I sound, I’d rather have drivers speed - they drive slow and it’s still considered speeding. Kew Road is 20mph for instances, the 267 operate on 30mph roads so there is no point.
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Post by portman227 on Jul 27, 2022 19:33:56 GMT
Nothing is wrong with ISA, if someone has an issue with it then they're advocated a driver breaking the law. The issue is 20mph Road limits. As selfish as I sound, I’d rather have drivers speed - they drive slow and it’s still considered speeding. Kew Road is 20mph for instances, the 267 operate on 30mph roads so there is no point. I don’t even agree with the ISA system, it’s clearly directing at drivers unable to drive the bus appropriately and not deemed fit to obey laws. Plus the systems comes with a lot of mishaps which can be dangerous in certain situations. Ignoring electric vehicles, it Clearly doesn’t stop the bus going past 20 or 30 in most diesel buses and I have been in more than 50 occasions. It works far better in electrics. There seems to be different types of ISA in cars particularly, one where the pedal vibrates and the car emits sounds of bonging and chiming but you can still exceed the limit. And instances where the power cuts off and regardless of how much you pump the throttle, it’s impossible for you to exceed the road limit. Surely the latter is quite bad for the engines?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 27, 2022 20:31:04 GMT
Nothing is wrong with ISA, if someone has an issue with it then they're advocated a driver breaking the law. The issue is 20mph Road limits. As selfish as I sound, I’d rather have drivers speed - they drive slow and it’s still considered speeding. Kew Road is 20mph for instances, the 267 operate on 30mph roads so there is no point. And once a bus eventually crashes somewhere I'm assuming you're going to blame the bus driver for speeding? Whether we agree or disagree with speed limits they exist for a reason and rules shouldn't be broken. ISA is just there as an additional measure to ensure drivers don't break the law. Nothing is wrong with it unless you are constantly speeding, and if you're constantly speeding then I'd rather you're not in control of my bus because that's not what a driver that follows the rules of the road should be doing.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 27, 2022 20:47:44 GMT
267 is the worst route to run it on, it’s already dreadful without the limiters. The 490 drivers crawl at about 5mph anyways so don’t see any point. Nothing is wrong with ISA As long as they work properly and not, as in some cases, keep the bus slower than what the speed legally and safely allows.
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Post by Frenzie on Jul 27, 2022 21:16:18 GMT
Nothing is wrong with ISA As long as they work properly and not, as in some cases, keep the bus slower than what the speed legally and safely allows. I’ve got a big issue with the ISAs on the BCEs. The other night it restricted my bus to 17 mph on Kew Bridge and Cromwell Road while I was on the 65 and on another occasion over Kingston bridge. If they could do a true 20 mph and 30 mph I don’t think I’d have as much of an issue with it (provided it was mapped correctly)
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Post by SN17MSO on Jul 27, 2022 22:11:51 GMT
Very interesting to see how those awful slow as hell enviros made it up the steep hilly nature of 464. The only one that stands a chance is 8325. 2 of these broke down just doing school runs and when I had 8328 on the first dual door 464 we did 5mph up Jewels Hill.
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Post by SN17MSO on Jul 27, 2022 22:16:45 GMT
As long as they work properly and not, as in some cases, keep the bus slower than what the speed legally and safely allows. I’ve got a big issue with the ISAs on the BCEs. The other night it restricted my bus to 17 mph on Kew Bridge and Cromwell Road while I was on the 65 and on another occasion over Kingston bridge. If they could do a true 20 mph and 30 mph I don’t think I’d have as much of an issue with it (provided it was mapped correctly) I've already experienced ISA on MB's YW19s and they're actually alright is they do exactly the speed limit. Not looking foward to 130 getting ISA that route is piled with 20 zones. 464 seems like an odd choice especially when its full of 40 zones but most drivers speed in New Addington 20 zones to avoid running late further into the route.
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Post by TNA33379 on Jul 28, 2022 7:34:09 GMT
Why was the ex Armchair Tridents refurbished with smart blinds? The KN52’s
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 28, 2022 8:19:36 GMT
Why was the ex Armchair Tridents refurbished with smart blinds? The KN52’s Abellio acquired them to use for the 172 contract and also some Nimbus Darts for the 455.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 28, 2022 9:02:37 GMT
Why was the ex Armchair Tridents refurbished with smart blinds? The KN52’s I believe they were the first batch of buses Abellio started those specs on alongside refurbishments as they were subsequently fitted onto others such as the E20Ds and Volvos for the retentions of the 152 and 157 respectively.
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Post by SN17MOA on Jul 28, 2022 9:03:56 GMT
I don't suppose anyone knows what route(s) 8845/47/60/63 are allocated to at TF, if allocated to anything at all. 8845/60 were for sale for 6 months and never sold, I wonder if they were reacquired on a lease or whether they were outright purchased by Abellio. From my memory, they are allocated to the 490. The route recently had a +2 PVR increase on morning journeys and I think one replaced 8787 which went to Hayes. The final one seems to be a spare to fill in for a 12/64 reg off for maintenance.
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