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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 11, 2023 10:09:00 GMT
Southeastern introduce 100 additional trains per weekRail operator Southeastern has introduced 100 extra trains per week as part of new timetable changes.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67663923
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Post by busman on Dec 12, 2023 16:34:39 GMT
Southeastern introduce 100 additional trains per weekRail operator Southeastern has introduced 100 extra trains per week as part of new timetable changes.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67663923 I’ve only glanced at the timetable to see the frequency at Plumstead and Albany Park looks better than it did in 2022. But until the DfT reinstates Charing Cross services on the Greenwich line, SouthEastern trains are dead to me. |
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Post by 700101 on Dec 12, 2023 19:12:58 GMT
Southeastern introduce 100 additional trains per weekRail operator Southeastern has introduced 100 extra trains per week as part of new timetable changes.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67663923 I’ve only glanced at the timetable to see the frequency at Plumstead and Albany Park looks better than it did in 2022. But until the DfT reinstates Charing Cross services on the Greenwich line, SouthEastern trains are dead to me. They won’t reinstate Charing Cross services via Greenwich due to conflicting movements around North East Kent Junction area and the same with services via Lewisham, also the next SE timetable change in June 24 will evenly space services between SE & TL via Woolwich (more likely SE will run at different times as it’s more complicated for TL) and all day 4tph at Albany Park which will hopefully evenly spread services out via Sidcup |
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Post by busman on Dec 12, 2023 20:24:06 GMT
I’ve only glanced at the timetable to see the frequency at Plumstead and Albany Park looks better than it did in 2022. But until the DfT reinstates Charing Cross services on the Greenwich line, SouthEastern trains are dead to me. They won’t reinstate Charing Cross services via Greenwich due to conflicting movements around North East Kent Junction area and the same with services via Lewisham, also the next SE timetable change in June 24 will evenly space services between SE & TL via Woolwich (more likely SE will run at different times as it’s more complicated for TL) and all day 4tph at Albany Park which will hopefully evenly spread services out via Sidcup The even spacing of services on the Woolwich line and restoration of 4th at Albany Park would be a good future improvement. I should have more accurately referred to restoration of Charing Cross services on the Woolwich line, as you alluded to in your reply. The occasional fast peak service used to run via Greenwich, but the regular half hourly service ran via Lewisham. I understand that the problem of running services into Charing Cross was a result of the solution for another problem (so typical of the UK!), but all it did was push Woolwich line passengers onto the DLR and Lizzie line. |
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Post by snowman on Dec 12, 2023 21:40:47 GMT
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Post by route53 on Dec 19, 2023 23:44:04 GMT
Southeastern introduce 100 additional trains per weekRail operator Southeastern has introduced 100 extra trains per week as part of new timetable changes.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67663923 I’ve only glanced at the timetable to see the frequency at Plumstead and Albany Park looks better than it did in 2022. But until the DfT reinstates Charing Cross services on the Greenwich line, SouthEastern trains are dead to me. Agreed, I don’t bother with SE anymore for this reason, I’d rather go back on myself to use the Elizabeth line at Woolwich than change at London Bridge. You’re certainly not the only one who has abandoned SE, most passengers on the Woolwich & Bexleyheath lines have completely given up on SE as a result of the loss of CHX trains last December (Bexleyheath gets 1tph which is always usually cancelled anyway, so it renders that redundant and it hasn’t drawn passengers back) The problem is, the Elizabeth line can be besieged with delays most days, so having the option of Charing Cross trains would be handy at times like this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Elizabeth line was meant to be an additional, not a replacement service. |
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Post by route53 on Dec 19, 2023 23:47:58 GMT
I’ve only glanced at the timetable to see the frequency at Plumstead and Albany Park looks better than it did in 2022. But until the DfT reinstates Charing Cross services on the Greenwich line, SouthEastern trains are dead to me. They won’t reinstate Charing Cross services via Greenwich due to conflicting movements around North East Kent Junction area and the same with services via Lewisham, also the next SE timetable change in June 24 will evenly space services between SE & TL via Woolwich (more likely SE will run at different times as it’s more complicated for TL) and all day 4tph at Albany Park which will hopefully evenly spread services out via Sidcup SE have used Lewisham junction as an excuse to not run a decent metro service, and the opportunity to cut these popular Charing Cross trains when the Elizabeth line arrived was their perfect excuse. I’d rather we lost Thameslink that actually makes a conflict move anyway, again rendering the loss of CHX trains from Greenwich redundant. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 19, 2023 23:59:57 GMT
I’ve only glanced at the timetable to see the frequency at Plumstead and Albany Park looks better than it did in 2022. But until the DfT reinstates Charing Cross services on the Greenwich line, SouthEastern trains are dead to me. Agreed, I don’t bother with SE anymore for this reason, I’d rather go back on myself to use the Elizabeth line at Woolwich than change at London Bridge. You’re certainly not the only one who has abandoned SE, most passengers on the Woolwich & Bexleyheath lines have completely given up on SE as a result of the loss of CHX trains last December (Bexleyheath gets 1tph which is always usually cancelled anyway, so it renders that redundant and it hasn’t drawn passengers back) The problem is, the Elizabeth line can be besieged with delays most days, so having the option of Charing Cross trains would be handy at times like this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Elizabeth line was meant to be an additional, not a replacement service. It has been explained why the Charing Cross via Greenwich service won't be restored and and if the Thameslink service was removed it would just be Cannon Street services from Greenwich. Most people have switched to the Elizabeth Line because it's so much quicker. |
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Post by route53 on Dec 20, 2023 0:32:43 GMT
Agreed, I don’t bother with SE anymore for this reason, I’d rather go back on myself to use the Elizabeth line at Woolwich than change at London Bridge. You’re certainly not the only one who has abandoned SE, most passengers on the Woolwich & Bexleyheath lines have completely given up on SE as a result of the loss of CHX trains last December (Bexleyheath gets 1tph which is always usually cancelled anyway, so it renders that redundant and it hasn’t drawn passengers back) The problem is, the Elizabeth line can be besieged with delays most days, so having the option of Charing Cross trains would be handy at times like this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Elizabeth line was meant to be an additional, not a replacement service. It has been explained why the Charing Cross via Greenwich service won't be restored and and if the Thameslink service was removed it would just be Cannon Street services from Greenwich. Most people have switched to the Elizabeth Line because it's so much quicker. Actually people have switched because of how bad SE is now, the Elizabeth line isn’t perfect and has been often been delayed or cancelled, but SE have made their timetable extremely unattractive, so the the Lis is nearly perfect in comparison. I don’t see Ealing having their Central or District line trains removed, nor has the Jubilee or Central line been reduced in Stratford, so I see no purpose or benefits as to why we lost out SE West End trains via Lewisham Removing Thameslink would mean a better service overall and faster trains, the padding in the timetable on the line is to accommodate an unreliable service, trains have gotten unbearably slow since Thameslink was essentially shoved through the Woolwich line. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 20, 2023 14:40:49 GMT
It has been explained why the Charing Cross via Greenwich service won't be restored and and if the Thameslink service was removed it would just be Cannon Street services from Greenwich. Most people have switched to the Elizabeth Line because it's so much quicker. Actually people have switched because of how bad SE is now, the Elizabeth line isn’t perfect and has been often been delayed or cancelled, but SE have made their timetable extremely unattractive, so the the Lis is nearly perfect in comparison. I don’t see Ealing having their Central or District line trains removed, nor has the Jubilee or Central line been reduced in Stratford, so I see no purpose or benefits as to why we lost out SE West End trains via Lewisham Removing Thameslink would mean a better service overall and faster trains, the padding in the timetable on the line is to accommodate an unreliable service, trains have gotten unbearably slow since Thameslink was essentially shoved through the Woolwich line. Nothing has been removed from Woolwich Arsenal, the former Charing Cross via Lewisham service has just been rerouted to Cannon Street, I get it that some people will be inconvenienced but you can't please everyone on such a complex network. If Thameslink is removed it will just be replaced by another Southeastern service to Cannon Street. |
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Post by route53 on Dec 21, 2023 8:07:54 GMT
Actually people have switched because of how bad SE is now, the Elizabeth line isn’t perfect and has been often been delayed or cancelled, but SE have made their timetable extremely unattractive, so the the Lis is nearly perfect in comparison. I don’t see Ealing having their Central or District line trains removed, nor has the Jubilee or Central line been reduced in Stratford, so I see no purpose or benefits as to why we lost out SE West End trains via Lewisham Removing Thameslink would mean a better service overall and faster trains, the padding in the timetable on the line is to accommodate an unreliable service, trains have gotten unbearably slow since Thameslink was essentially shoved through the Woolwich line. Nothing has been removed from Woolwich Arsenal, the former Charing Cross via Lewisham service has just been rerouted to Cannon Street, I get it that some people will be inconvenienced but you can't please everyone on such a complex network. If Thameslink is removed it will just be replaced by another Southeastern service to Cannon Street. I mean it’s kinda the same thing, either way you look at it, we have no CHX trains anymore. Yes the Greenwich line would have another CST train if Thameslink were removed, but at least the padding in our timetable would be removed, and would be spared Thameslink unreliability, they may have 6tph again, not ideal having all their trains go to Cannon Street but Thameslink is another city service anyway it’s not like it offers a direct West End service. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 21, 2023 9:07:10 GMT
Nothing has been removed from Woolwich Arsenal, the former Charing Cross via Lewisham service has just been rerouted to Cannon Street, I get it that some people will be inconvenienced but you can't please everyone on such a complex network. If Thameslink is removed it will just be replaced by another Southeastern service to Cannon Street. I mean it’s kinda the same thing, either way you look at it, we have no CHX trains anymore. Yes the Greenwich line would have another CST train if Thameslink were removed, but at least the padding in our timetable would be removed, and would be spared Thameslink unreliability, they may have 6tph again, not ideal having all their trains go to Cannon Street but Thameslink is another city service anyway it’s not like it offers a direct West End service. Thameslink is effectively a cross London tube line in all but name and ideally it would be more than 2tph although I agree that padded timetables are irritating. |
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Post by route53 on Dec 21, 2023 10:03:00 GMT
I mean it’s kinda the same thing, either way you look at it, we have no CHX trains anymore. Yes the Greenwich line would have another CST train if Thameslink were removed, but at least the padding in our timetable would be removed, and would be spared Thameslink unreliability, they may have 6tph again, not ideal having all their trains go to Cannon Street but Thameslink is another city service anyway it’s not like it offers a direct West End service. Thameslink is effectively a cross London tube line in all but name and ideally it would be more than 2tph although I agree that padded timetables are irritating. It can’t be more than the current 2tph without messing up SE further than what it’s already done. It calls at far too many stations for it to ever be attractive, you’d be better off getting the Liz line to Farringdon then change for Thameslink northwards, it’s removal would do wonders for the Dartford routes as a whole. Unfortunately we’re lumbered with the worse set of services the area has ever seen. It’s really no surprise that the Liz line and the DLR are taking all the Woolwich and Bexleyheath line passengers. |
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Post by rift on Dec 21, 2023 19:32:01 GMT
Thameslink is effectively a cross London tube line in all but name and ideally it would be more than 2tph although I agree that padded timetables are irritating. It can’t be more than the current 2tph without messing up SE further than what it’s already done. It calls at far too many stations for it to ever be attractive, you’d be better off getting the Liz line to Farringdon then change for Thameslink northwards, it’s removal would do wonders for the Dartford routes as a whole. Unfortunately we’re lumbered with the worse set of services the area has ever seen. It’s really no surprise that the Liz line and the DLR are taking all the Woolwich and Bexleyheath line passengers. I’d agree with having Thameslink only call at Greenwich, Woolwich Arsenal and Abbey Wood, Charlton is debatable due to the several retail offerings at the numberous retail parks. I wouldn’t agree with completely axing it, but there may be a case in reviewing the service east of Dartford. |
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Post by route53 on Dec 21, 2023 20:17:58 GMT
It can’t be more than the current 2tph without messing up SE further than what it’s already done. It calls at far too many stations for it to ever be attractive, you’d be better off getting the Liz line to Farringdon then change for Thameslink northwards, it’s removal would do wonders for the Dartford routes as a whole. Unfortunately we’re lumbered with the worse set of services the area has ever seen. It’s really no surprise that the Liz line and the DLR are taking all the Woolwich and Bexleyheath line passengers. I’d agree with having Thameslink only call at Greenwich, Woolwich Arsenal and Abbey Wood, Charlton is debatable due to the several retail offerings at the numberous retail parks. I wouldn’t agree with completely axing it, but there may be a case in reviewing the service east of Dartford. If it terminated at Dartford you may as well have the service call at all stations, and bring back the old CHX to Gillingham service via Blackheath instead, however I still don’t see much of a case for Thameslink to be ran via Woolwich, I’d route it via Sidcup |
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