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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 9, 2024 20:32:50 GMT
May be a silly question but what if you used Apple / Google Pay? How do they check it? I use Apple Pay on the buses and when the inspectors come on board I have to use it again on their scanner, which must pop up as a tick for them. The same thing happened on a DLR train I was on last summer. |
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Post by greenboy on Feb 9, 2024 20:59:18 GMT
There seems to be more ticket checks on Southeastern recently but they really are trying to get the jeannie back into the bottle, fare evasion is the norm now for many people. Some brazen fare evasion on the New York subway from four years ago and it really has got worse since then... youtu.be/ua3NTWlXOoQ?si=pu-rzHhNGv8pPVkd |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 9, 2024 23:53:15 GMT
That’s good they should. Honestly the amount of times a week I see bus drivers letting people on without paying. I get that the drivers don’t want the agro of an argument, but why should I pay if other people don’t? The DLR stations need more barriers as well. Barriers at each station would mean every station would have to be staffed. Most of the entrance/exits to stations would also need major remodelling to allow enough space for barriers to be installed. |
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Post by allentc on Feb 10, 2024 10:38:57 GMT
I get that the drivers don’t want the agro of an argument, but why should I pay if other people don’t? I suspect bus drivers have something like this in mind which is why they don't challenge passengers:
Unfortunately we live in a lawless society, that is unless as a motorist you stray into a yellow box/some other minor motoring infraction in which case the law is quick to react to issue fines galore - low hanging fruit policing that handily generates income for the authorities. Otherwise with a lack of police and lenient sentences it is no wonder criminals are running amok shoplifting, assaults, stabbings, fraud, drug dealing etc. Any bus driver that is threatened by an angry passenger knows with a lack of police that they'd be lucky to get any police backup at all and if they do how long will it take to arrive by which time they could have a knife in the chest.
I do agree that children should not be allowed on without a pass. They are given free travel, the least they could do is present their pass otherwise they can walk instead!
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 10, 2024 12:50:22 GMT
There seems to be more ticket checks on Southeastern recently but they really are trying to get the jeannie back into the bottle, fare evasion is the norm now for many people. Some brazen fare evasion on the New York subway from four years ago and it really has got worse since then... youtu.be/ua3NTWlXOoQ?si=pu-rzHhNGv8pPVkdGenie  if there's an out of control alcoholic woman named Jeannie using a Zip card on the 149s, I want her off the bus too  |
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 10, 2024 17:45:01 GMT
That’s good they should. Honestly the amount of times a week I see bus drivers letting people on without paying. I get that the drivers don’t want the agro of an argument, but why should I pay if other people don’t? The DLR stations need more barriers as well. Barriers at each station would mean every station would have to be staffed. Most of the entrance/exits to stations would also need major remodelling to allow enough space for barriers to be installed. They should really start with the busiest stations which are not currently gated and where it is physically possible. If that means staffing them then so be it. When the DLR was first set up it made sense to run it without barriers to keep costs low. Now that trains are running with 6 carriages and the network carries 92m passengers a year, it needs to be run more like the tube. Which DLR stations are currently gated? |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 10, 2024 18:25:46 GMT
It's noticeable that TfL are having some success in pursuing its most prolific evaders, these are the ones who cause the greatest revenue loss. 421 people were investigated for habitual fare evasion during 2023, amounting to £300,000 in lost revenue. Of the 190 people that were prosecuted, just one was found not guilty. TfL has an improved Irregular Travel Analysis Platform which detects patterns in ticketing and passenger data to identify people who habitually avoid paying for part or all of their journey. The information supports various interventions such as targeted emails, and a register of perpetual offenders who may be prioritised for further investigation and possible prosecution. One such person had used a bank card with insufficient funds to pay the fare on every journey over a year. CCTV footage was used to detect and identify the offender, who when prosecuted admitted to all the offences and was ordered to pay TfL nearly £1,800. Another passenger recently pleaded guilty to all 193 offences for which he was prosecuted, totalling unpaid fares of over £1,200. The penalty fare on all TfL services rises from £80 to £100 in March, in line with the increase on National Rail. On TfL this reduces to £50 if paid within 21 days. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/nearly-20000-people-prosecuted-for-fare-evasion-on-londons-transport-70089/ |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 10, 2024 18:28:25 GMT
Barriers at each station would mean every station would have to be staffed. Most of the entrance/exits to stations would also need major remodelling to allow enough space for barriers to be installed. They should really start with the busiest stations which are not currently gated and where it is physically possible. If that means staffing them then so be it. When the DLR was first set up it made sense to run it without barriers to keep costs low. Now that trains are running with 6 carriages and the network carries 92m passengers a year, it needs to be run more like the tube. Which DLR stations are currently gated? Woolwich Arsenal is the only DLR operated station that has Gates. As most stations have relatively narrow entrance/exits to street level, and have more than one entrance, I'm not quite sure Gates would be practical. If you take Westferry, for example, there's 4 staircases to street level plus 4 lifts which exit to street- I'm not sure where the barriers would go. |
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 10, 2024 18:47:04 GMT
They should really start with the busiest stations which are not currently gated and where it is physically possible. If that means staffing them then so be it. When the DLR was first set up it made sense to run it without barriers to keep costs low. Now that trains are running with 6 carriages and the network carries 92m passengers a year, it needs to be run more like the tube. Which DLR stations are currently gated? Woolwich Arsenal is the only DLR operated station that has Gates. As most stations have relatively narrow entrance/exits to street level, and have more than one entrance, I'm not quite sure Gates would be practical. If you take Westferry, for example, there's 4 staircases to street level plus 4 lifts which exit to street- I'm not sure where the barriers would go. I guess TFL would have to weigh up the costs. Would it be cheaper to lose hundreds of thousand pounds a year from people bunking the trains, or would it cost less to do a bit of remodelling to fit in ticket barriers at the busier DLR stations at least? Maybe start with Canary Wharf, Stratford, City Airport, Greenwich, Lewisham, Bank etc. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 10, 2024 18:52:18 GMT
Woolwich Arsenal is the only DLR operated station that has Gates. As most stations have relatively narrow entrance/exits to street level, and have more than one entrance, I'm not quite sure Gates would be practical. If you take Westferry, for example, there's 4 staircases to street level plus 4 lifts which exit to street- I'm not sure where the barriers would go. I guess TFL would have to weigh up the costs. Would it be cheaper to lose hundreds of thousand pounds a year from people bunking the trains, or would it cost less to do a bit of remodelling to fit in ticket barriers at the busier DLR stations at least? Maybe start with Canary Wharf, Stratford, City Airport, Greenwich, Lewisham, Bank etc. Stratford and Bank are already gated. |
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 10, 2024 18:54:34 GMT
I guess TFL would have to weigh up the costs. Would it be cheaper to lose hundreds of thousand pounds a year from people bunking the trains, or would it cost less to do a bit of remodelling to fit in ticket barriers at the busier DLR stations at least? Maybe start with Canary Wharf, Stratford, City Airport, Greenwich, Lewisham, Bank etc. Stratford and Bank are already gated. That’s good, I couldn’t remember if Stratford was or not, I’ve not been there since June or so. They should definitely think about the other ones though. |
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 10, 2024 19:07:15 GMT
It's noticeable that TfL are having some success in pursuing its most prolific evaders, these are the ones who cause the greatest revenue loss. 421 people were investigated for habitual fare evasion during 2023, amounting to £300,000 in lost revenue. Of the 190 people that were prosecuted, just one was found not guilty. TfL has an improved Irregular Travel Analysis Platform which detects patterns in ticketing and passenger data to identify people who habitually avoid paying for part or all of their journey. The information supports various interventions such as targeted emails, and a register of perpetual offenders who may be prioritised for further investigation and possible prosecution. One such person had used a bank card with insufficient funds to pay the fare on every journey over a year. CCTV footage was used to detect and identify the offender, who when prosecuted admitted to all the offences and was ordered to pay TfL nearly £1,800. Another passenger recently pleaded guilty to all 193 offences for which he was prosecuted, totalling unpaid fares of over £1,200. The penalty fare on all TfL services rises from £80 to £100 in March, in line with the increase on National Rail. On TfL this reduces to £50 if paid within 21 days. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/nearly-20000-people-prosecuted-for-fare-evasion-on-londons-transport-70089/ Why on earth does their system allow a bank card with no funds to be used over and over again and for a year at that? Any provincial op-co with a Ticketer machine has stopped this. You can use your bank card only a couple of times after owing the company money and then it’s blocked from being used again and put on a “deny list” |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 10, 2024 19:18:37 GMT
It's noticeable that TfL are having some success in pursuing its most prolific evaders, these are the ones who cause the greatest revenue loss. 421 people were investigated for habitual fare evasion during 2023, amounting to £300,000 in lost revenue. Of the 190 people that were prosecuted, just one was found not guilty. TfL has an improved Irregular Travel Analysis Platform which detects patterns in ticketing and passenger data to identify people who habitually avoid paying for part or all of their journey. The information supports various interventions such as targeted emails, and a register of perpetual offenders who may be prioritised for further investigation and possible prosecution. One such person had used a bank card with insufficient funds to pay the fare on every journey over a year. CCTV footage was used to detect and identify the offender, who when prosecuted admitted to all the offences and was ordered to pay TfL nearly £1,800. Another passenger recently pleaded guilty to all 193 offences for which he was prosecuted, totalling unpaid fares of over £1,200. The penalty fare on all TfL services rises from £80 to £100 in March, in line with the increase on National Rail. On TfL this reduces to £50 if paid within 21 days. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/nearly-20000-people-prosecuted-for-fare-evasion-on-londons-transport-70089/ Why on earth does their system allow a bank card with no funds to be used over and over again and for a year at that? Any provincial op-co with a Ticketer machine has stopped this. You can use your bank card only a couple of times after owing the company money and then it’s blocked from being used again and put on a “deny list” You need to ask TfL that! Funny enough there has been discussion of FoI (Freedom of Information) Requests today .... if you want to make this more than just a rant. |
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Post by WH241 on Feb 10, 2024 20:13:20 GMT
Had another ticket check on the DLR today. They are without a doubt increasing checks! I just hope they keep it up and this is not just a temporary push.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 10, 2024 20:14:32 GMT
It's noticeable that TfL are having some success in pursuing its most prolific evaders, these are the ones who cause the greatest revenue loss. 421 people were investigated for habitual fare evasion during 2023, amounting to £300,000 in lost revenue. Of the 190 people that were prosecuted, just one was found not guilty. TfL has an improved Irregular Travel Analysis Platform which detects patterns in ticketing and passenger data to identify people who habitually avoid paying for part or all of their journey. The information supports various interventions such as targeted emails, and a register of perpetual offenders who may be prioritised for further investigation and possible prosecution. One such person had used a bank card with insufficient funds to pay the fare on every journey over a year. CCTV footage was used to detect and identify the offender, who when prosecuted admitted to all the offences and was ordered to pay TfL nearly £1,800. Another passenger recently pleaded guilty to all 193 offences for which he was prosecuted, totalling unpaid fares of over £1,200. The penalty fare on all TfL services rises from £80 to £100 in March, in line with the increase on National Rail. On TfL this reduces to £50 if paid within 21 days. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/nearly-20000-people-prosecuted-for-fare-evasion-on-londons-transport-70089/ Why on earth does their system allow a bank card with no funds to be used over and over again and for a year at that? Any provincial op-co with a Ticketer machine has stopped this. You can use your bank card only a couple of times after owing the company money and then it’s blocked from being used again and put on a “deny list” Are we sure it is not on a deny list, and just drivers never challenged the holder. A card failure should be recorded. I am pretty sure TfL do use deny lists. |
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if there's an out of control alcoholic woman named Jeannie using a Zip card on the 149s, I want her off the bus too 
