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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 10, 2024 21:48:12 GMT
The girl who boarded my 40 this morning just before me tried expressing surprise or concern that her Oyster/card was coming up red. Soon the driver just signalled her to sit down.
On the August Bank Holiday 2019 a couple of women boarded my 214 through the centre door and took their seat. The driver requested that they do tap their Oystercards. One of them did then take both cards to tap them. I think they may have known they had reached the daily cap so didn't see the point.
At around 8.30 last Easter Monday a couple of inspectors checked our cards on my 349.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Feb 11, 2024 0:24:56 GMT
I've had ticket inspections on buses though indeed very rare. The inspection teams are spread thin on a big network. I've on occasion seen joint operations with the BTP too but there again it must be extremely resource intensive.
If it's any consolation, the fare evasion rate (perceived and real) on buses here is far lower than over in France. When I first arrived I was surprised at how essentially everyone tapped on even in less affluent areas. It's most certainly not the case over the Channel. In France, drivers aren't supposed to challenge fare evaders (or even proactively check for tickets, that's for revenue inspection), in London they are usually quite insistent on it (and thankfully their anti-assault plexiglass is there when needed at times).
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Post by greenboy on Feb 11, 2024 21:57:29 GMT
It's noticeable that TfL are having some success in pursuing its most prolific evaders, these are the ones who cause the greatest revenue loss. 421 people were investigated for habitual fare evasion during 2023, amounting to £300,000 in lost revenue. Of the 190 people that were prosecuted, just one was found not guilty. TfL has an improved Irregular Travel Analysis Platform which detects patterns in ticketing and passenger data to identify people who habitually avoid paying for part or all of their journey. The information supports various interventions such as targeted emails, and a register of perpetual offenders who may be prioritised for further investigation and possible prosecution. One such person had used a bank card with insufficient funds to pay the fare on every journey over a year. CCTV footage was used to detect and identify the offender, who when prosecuted admitted to all the offences and was ordered to pay TfL nearly £1,800. Another passenger recently pleaded guilty to all 193 offences for which he was prosecuted, totalling unpaid fares of over £1,200. The penalty fare on all TfL services rises from £80 to £100 in March, in line with the increase on National Rail. On TfL this reduces to £50 if paid within 21 days. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/nearly-20000-people-prosecuted-for-fare-evasion-on-londons-transport-70089/ Why on earth does their system allow a bank card with no funds to be used over and over again and for a year at that? Any provincial op-co with a Ticketer machine has stopped this. You can use your bank card only a couple of times after owing the company money and then it’s blocked from being used again and put on a “deny list” That really is astonishing if it's true, and of course by making it public other people will try the same trick. I wonder how many of these fines actually get paid?
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 12, 2024 17:22:36 GMT
Seen RPIs today for first time ever on the Romford Push Pull.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 13, 2024 0:47:48 GMT
Seen RPIs today for first time ever on the Romford Push Pull. Over the past few months I have noticed a lot on the London Overground network (even after 9pm!), a few on the Elizabeth line, none on the London Undeground trains (only stations)
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Post by buspete on Feb 13, 2024 1:44:03 GMT
Today I have seen a feral youth on an Underground Station hold the extra wide gate open for a further 5 youths to go through.
My experience on the Elizabeth Line is different, which I use every day - I have never seen a TFL inspector and have only had my ticket checked once and that was by Southeastern revenue at Abbey Wood.
I would have thought revenue would be self funding by the fines they give out, so would have thought they would be self financing. Sadly though you need a BTP officer with them, to be any use.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 13, 2024 9:11:50 GMT
Today I have seen a feral youth on an Underground Station hold the extra wide gate open for a further 5 youths to go through. My experience on the Elizabeth Line is different, which I use every day - I have never seen a TFL inspector and have only had my ticket checked once and that was by Southeastern revenue at Abbey Wood. I would have thought revenue would be self funding by the fines they give out, so would have thought they would be self financing. Sadly though you need a BTP officer with them, to be any use. I've never seen any ticket checks on the Elizabeth Line or on LU although I've seen a few on LO. I really do wonder how many of these fines actually get paid, a lot of people probably give false details if they cooperate at all. As you say a police presence really is needed.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 13, 2024 10:17:56 GMT
Today I have seen a feral youth on an Underground Station hold the extra wide gate open for a further 5 youths to go through. My experience on the Elizabeth Line is different, which I use every day - I have never seen a TFL inspector and have only had my ticket checked once and that was by Southeastern revenue at Abbey Wood. I would have thought revenue would be self funding by the fines they give out, so would have thought they would be self financing. Sadly though you need a BTP officer with them, to be any use. It is common to see people just push through the barriers, mainly the wheelchair gate one. Some even the normal ones. Or walk fast behind someone else. I do not think there is one week I have used the trains and not seen someone do that now. Whether it is youths or adults.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 13, 2024 10:19:05 GMT
Today I have seen a feral youth on an Underground Station hold the extra wide gate open for a further 5 youths to go through. My experience on the Elizabeth Line is different, which I use every day - I have never seen a TFL inspector and have only had my ticket checked once and that was by Southeastern revenue at Abbey Wood. I would have thought revenue would be self funding by the fines they give out, so would have thought they would be self financing. Sadly though you need a BTP officer with them, to be any use. I've never seen any ticket checks on the Elizabeth Line or on LU although I've seen a few on LO. I really do wonder how many of these fines actually get paid, a lot of people probably give false details if they cooperate at all. As you say a police presence really is needed. It is common on the Elizabeth line during the day. They seem to be there between peak hours. They used to be there also during TfL rail days.
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Post by buspete on Feb 13, 2024 17:34:27 GMT
As I say I commute on the Elizabeth Line and my commute is between 2-4pm depending what shift I am on and I have never seen one. But then again it is pot luck.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Feb 14, 2024 17:18:51 GMT
Today I have seen a feral youth on an Underground Station hold the extra wide gate open for a further 5 youths to go through. My experience on the Elizabeth Line is different, which I use every day - I have never seen a TFL inspector and have only had my ticket checked once and that was by Southeastern revenue at Abbey Wood. I would have thought revenue would be self funding by the fines they give out, so would have thought they would be self financing. Sadly though you need a BTP officer with them, to be any use. Iirc fines are never self-funding. Especially if it needs to go to court etc... let alone the fake details part.
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Post by martynl on Feb 14, 2024 23:23:32 GMT
My main annoyance occurs at stations that have gates, whether they're LU, LO or BR that are wide open with no staff in sight. The craziest is at terminals such as at Cannon Street and even Victoria, they're not doing much to deter fare evaders are they?
The gates are even open when staff ARE present and my sarky comment to them of 'oh is it free travel today'?, never goes down well!
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Post by greenboy on Feb 15, 2024 7:48:58 GMT
My main annoyance occurs at stations that have gates, whether they're LU, LO or BR that are wide open with no staff in sight. The craziest is at terminals such as at Cannon Street and even Victoria, they're not doing much to deter fare evaders are they? The gates are even open when staff ARE present and my sarky comment to them of 'oh is it free travel today'?, never goes down well! This is commonplace at Southeastern stations.
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 15, 2024 10:21:41 GMT
My main annoyance occurs at stations that have gates, whether they're LU, LO or BR that are wide open with no staff in sight. The craziest is at terminals such as at Cannon Street and even Victoria, they're not doing much to deter fare evaders are they? The gates are even open when staff ARE present and my sarky comment to them of 'oh is it free travel today'?, never goes down well! This is commonplace at Southeastern stations. Very frustrating , especially when staff are nowhere to be seen (Bromley By Bow I'm looking at you 👁️ ) , c2c however have a whole team of Security Guards and c2c staff at Barking everyday all hours, I think for Major high crime busy stations they should all have this if the deterrent is there it will deter people .
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Post by met120 on Feb 15, 2024 11:00:27 GMT
Today I have seen a feral youth on an Underground Station hold the extra wide gate open for a further 5 youths to go through. My experience on the Elizabeth Line is different, which I use every day - I have never seen a TFL inspector and have only had my ticket checked once and that was by Southeastern revenue at Abbey Wood. I would have thought revenue would be self funding by the fines they give out, so would have thought they would be self financing. Sadly though you need a BTP officer with them, to be any use. The above happened at High St Kensington a few weeks ago, two held the gate open while about 7 others walked through. Ticket inspections are becoming more common on the western end of Elizabeth Line particularly Southall with and without BTP present. Southall is a hotspot for fare dodging on both the EL and buses. The worst bus routes for this is the 105, 207 and E5 - some drivers also choose who they want to challenge and don’t say a peep to others that clearly show they no intention to pay.
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