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Post by vjaska on Feb 23, 2024 14:35:56 GMT
I am told that the P4 in both directions, is extremely unreliable (and has been for some weeks), especially in the Honor Oak Park/Brockley area. Can anyone please give me some idea what the problem (if any) might be so that I can pass on the information, as I am many a mile from the area? this isn't true the P4 is very reliable and takes a good route through areas that you cant normally get to from brixton e.g Lewisham. The P4 isn't reliable - not only was 6HP502C was correct in what he said but I literally live up the road from the Brixton terminus and have experienced the unreliability on multiple occasions which is why I rarely use it nowadays and opt to take a 10 minute bus ride to Tulse Hill and then take two trains to Lewisham. Just to be clear, I don't blame Stagecoach for that (my only gripe with them was excessive single door single deckers) but the routing it takes involves a horrible section of the South Circular where Dulwich Common jams up a lot. Add in the Lewisham road redesign that was mentioned and it's no wonder it struggles. No one said the route isn't useful but that usefulness gets undermined by the conditions the route is affected by. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Feb 23, 2024 14:51:05 GMT
I am told that the P4 in both directions, is extremely unreliable (and has been for some weeks), especially in the Honor Oak Park/Brockley area. Can anyone please give me some idea what the problem (if any) might be so that I can pass on the information, as I am many a mile from the area? this isn't true the P4 is very reliable and takes a good route through areas that you cant normally get to from brixton e.g Lewisham. A quick look at performance data shows the P4 fails its performance targets more often than it meets them - bus.data.tfl.gov.uk/boroughreports/routes/performance-route-P4.pdfThis is only an average across the route. If looking at peaks only the EWTs will be significantly higher and higher still at the first stops at both ends of the route. The periods following the peaks will also suffer as service recovery is in full flow and the route catches up. It probably is quite reliable late evenings and weekend mornings before the shops open. |
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Feb 26, 2024 23:05:58 GMT
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Post by rogerout on Feb 26, 2024 23:05:58 GMT
I drove the route as a spare about ten years ago, probably about 3 times in total. I can barely remember all the route .It’s obviously a difficult route to run though just by looking at where it has to go.
Doesnt matter who really operates it, the same problems will be there.
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Post by 06transport on Mar 1, 2024 20:15:11 GMT
Not helped by Stagecoach regularly chucking out multiple single door short buses on the route though thankfully, that's decreased a lot in the last few years. Go-Ahead will need to be on the ball with the P4 - Stagecoach had decades of experience with this route and Go-Ahead will be thrown in at the deep end from day 1 so I'm hoping they quickly realise how difficult the P4 can be The 380 moving to PD has some benefits as 8.9m buses no longer appear on it. At least NX will not do this… for how many years Stageincorrect have done this to 178 181 202 284 366 380 P4 been victims of undersized vehicles. (181 & 284 previously before they went to MB) I can recall 37509 operating route 284 back in 2018, but I have no doubt that any undersized buses would not do that route anytime soon. In regards to P4, as a local to the route, I've witnessed many 8.9m workings on that route, most of which is standing room only and highly objected by passengers. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 2, 2024 21:41:19 GMT
It has been unreliable for at least 25 years, despite running from the same garage since before time began. It slips through the net as it does meet its overall perfomance targets. At school kickout and peak times, it is a victim of wildly variable runtimes between trips as traffic builds up on the South Circular between Dulwich College and Forest Hill, so there are often gaps in the service. The redesign of Lewisham’s roads hasn’t helped. Most of the buses do turn up in the middle of the route but you’re more likely to have a dim view of it if you have to board in Lewisham Town Centre or Brixton station. These are the busiest stops on the route but buses are turned at Ladywell and Brixton Police station for service recovery so at certain times of the day, it’s common to have to wait 30+ minutes for a bus that’s supposed to run every 12 minutes. It can’t really be restructured because of travel patterns on the route. The South Circular has to be served so unless more buses are put on the route, it will always struggle at peak times. The P4 at Brixton station is also notorious for scrum-like boarding conditions, perhaps more so than any other route in London. It has only operated at TL since 1991. It was traditionally at SW until lost to London Country, later Kentish Bus, in 1985. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Mar 4, 2024 22:33:55 GMT
The P4's reliability hasn't been helped by the Dulwich Village LTN which has sent local traffic onto Dulwich Common and College Road.
As a local to the route, I've ended up getting the 185 to Lewisham which says it all.
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