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Post by SILENCED on Jul 23, 2024 16:50:16 GMT
It because as you stated British cyclists have a misconceived mistaken sense of priority. Are cyclists in mainland Europe more responsible? And pedestrians don't have this misconceived mistaken sense of priority? I think you really need to read the latest version of the Highway Code, as their priority is neither misconceived or mistaken.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 23, 2024 17:02:10 GMT
And pedestrians don't have this misconceived mistaken sense of priority? I think you really need to read the latest version of the Highway Code, as their priority is neither misconceived or mistaken. I'll take your word for that but seriously neither pedestrians or cyclists are likely to be consulting the highway code about floating bus stops. On one hand the anti cycling brigade claim that cycle lanes should be removed as they are not used yet now we're told that cycle lanes passing floating bus stops are so busy that pedestrians can't cross them safely!
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Post by ronnie on Jul 23, 2024 18:50:31 GMT
I think you really need to read the latest version of the Highway Code, as their priority is neither misconceived or mistaken. I'll take your word for that but seriously neither pedestrians or cyclists are likely to be consulting the highway code about floating bus stops. On one hand the anti cycling brigade claim that cycle lanes should be removed as they are not used yet now we're told that cycle lanes passing floating bus stops are so busy that pedestrians can't cross them safely! I know we have had this debate before but frankly cyclist behaviour is so appalling, there needs to be some control asap Every day in a 400m stretch the number of cyclists I see breaking traffic rules is just ridiculous. Barely any of them stop at red signals, some drive quite aggressively and some even shout to pedestrians / people with prams if they get in their way (in the middle of green signal for pedestrians I will add). Just today I have had 2 cyclists aggressively shouting at me for getting in their way (I was crossing during the green phase for pedestrians I may add) If they want to use any stretch of road, they need to obey the rules. Cyclists unfortunately think of themselves as holier than thou, above any rules of the road
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Post by greenboy on Jul 23, 2024 19:36:39 GMT
I'll take your word for that but seriously neither pedestrians or cyclists are likely to be consulting the highway code about floating bus stops. On one hand the anti cycling brigade claim that cycle lanes should be removed as they are not used yet now we're told that cycle lanes passing floating bus stops are so busy that pedestrians can't cross them safely! I know we have had this debate before but frankly cyclist behaviour is so appalling, there needs to be some control asap Every day in a 400m stretch the number of cyclists I see breaking traffic rules is just ridiculous. Barely any of them stop at red signals, some drive quite aggressively and some even shout to pedestrians / people with prams if they get in their way (in the middle of green signal for pedestrians I will add). Just today I have had 2 cyclists aggressively shouting at me for getting in their way (I was crossing during the green phase for pedestrians I may add) If they want to use any stretch of road, they need to obey the rules. Cyclists unfortunately think of themselves as holier than thou, above any rules of the road I don't doubt at all that some cyclists do behave in the way you've described but we'll have to disagree about what proportion.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 23, 2024 20:29:00 GMT
I know we have had this debate before but frankly cyclist behaviour is so appalling, there needs to be some control asap Every day in a 400m stretch the number of cyclists I see breaking traffic rules is just ridiculous. Barely any of them stop at red signals, some drive quite aggressively and some even shout to pedestrians / people with prams if they get in their way (in the middle of green signal for pedestrians I will add). Just today I have had 2 cyclists aggressively shouting at me for getting in their way (I was crossing during the green phase for pedestrians I may add) If they want to use any stretch of road, they need to obey the rules. Cyclists unfortunately think of themselves as holier than thou, above any rules of the road I don't doubt at all that some cyclists do behave in the way you've described but we'll have to disagree about what proportion. More like 80%+ disobeying rules. I have actually sat down at the pret and counted cyclists at one junction for 30 min along with additional observations throughout the day, every day for 3 months
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Post by WH241 on Jul 23, 2024 21:22:37 GMT
I don't doubt at all that some cyclists do behave in the way you've described but we'll have to disagree about what proportion. More like 80%+ disobeying rules. I have actually sat down at the pret and counted cyclists at one junction for 30 min along with additional observations throughout the day, every day for 3 months Add into the mix fast food delivery cyclists who have a total disregard to any rules. Cyclists seem to feel they are above the law. Don’t even get me started on those with Twitter/ X accounts who go about filming car drivers for offences and uploading them on social media for likes.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 23, 2024 22:20:46 GMT
I don't doubt at all that some cyclists do behave in the way you've described but we'll have to disagree about what proportion. More like 80%+ disobeying rules. I have actually sat down at the pret and counted cyclists at one junction for 30 min along with additional observations throughout the day, every day for 3 months Everyday I see many and that's on my mere 10 minute walk to work. Don't get me started on the bikes dumped at the side of our shop where we stick our cages ready for the lorry to collect later on, either by regular people with those hire bikes or the Uber & Just Eat drivers who enjoy parking in the stupidest places
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 24, 2024 0:30:05 GMT
For those with disabilities I can understand that a floating bus stop can be terrifying. Sure an accident is unlikely, but but that applies to most accidents! Floating bus stops arguably are dangerous and do not meet the needs of passengers. Buses being such a crucial form of transport, accessible to all, should in my view be prioritised over cycling and a better solution for bus passengers than floating bus stops is required. Are they really terrifying? They normally work fine and all that's needed is some basic common sense. If I were a pedestrian about to cross and a cyclist was approaching I would wave them through as it's easier for me to stop than it is for them to stop. If I were a cyclist approaching and I saw somebody with a white stick I would stop for them. Sadly nowadays often both parties think they should have priority over the other and there's problems. The trouble is many cyclists do NOT use common sense. They feel they are above the law and can do anything they wish.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 24, 2024 0:31:47 GMT
Firstly may not be terrifying to you or me, but clearly it is to some and that needs to be addressed. The revised highway code has pedestrians at the top with cyclists below them due to pedestrians greater vulnerability. Honestly these 'floating bus stops' are commonplace in mainland Europe and seemingly work fine without any problems at all. e scooters are common place in mainland Europe, they are not in the UK. Floating bus stops do not work fine there at all.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 24, 2024 0:35:43 GMT
I know we have had this debate before but frankly cyclist behaviour is so appalling, there needs to be some control asap Every day in a 400m stretch the number of cyclists I see breaking traffic rules is just ridiculous. Barely any of them stop at red signals, some drive quite aggressively and some even shout to pedestrians / people with prams if they get in their way (in the middle of green signal for pedestrians I will add). Just today I have had 2 cyclists aggressively shouting at me for getting in their way (I was crossing during the green phase for pedestrians I may add) If they want to use any stretch of road, they need to obey the rules. Cyclists unfortunately think of themselves as holier than thou, above any rules of the road I don't doubt at all that some cyclists do behave in the way you've described but we'll have to disagree about what proportion. You have proven yourself to be exhibit A. Typical cyclist who believes they are above the law, the highway code does not matter to them and that it is everyone else fault apart from them. Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of cyclists have zero tolerance towards pedestrians
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2024 3:54:35 GMT
I don't doubt at all that some cyclists do behave in the way you've described but we'll have to disagree about what proportion. You have proven yourself to be exhibit A. Typical cyclist who believes they are above the law, the highway code does not matter to them and that it is everyone else fault apart from them. Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of cyclists have zero tolerance towards pedestrians You're completely wrong because I'm not a regular cyclist, I just don't have a vendetta against them. To reiterate, the anti cycling brigade claim that on one hand cycle lanes should be removed because nobody uses them, yet on the other hand cycle lanes passing floating bus stops are so well used that pedestrians can't cross them safely. Clearly both these ascertains cannot be correct, in fact I would suggest that neither are correct. And what about these pedestrians who apparently cannot cross cycle lanes safely, how do they cross roads where there are not only cyclists but motor vehicles to contend with? I'm not for one minute suggesting that all cyclists are perfect, I'm just putting things into perspective and cyclists are obviously themselves pedestrians at times. I'm sure cyclists want to avoid collisions with pedestrians as they themselves would probably be injured as well as the pedestrian.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2024 4:09:36 GMT
Are they really terrifying? They normally work fine and all that's needed is some basic common sense. If I were a pedestrian about to cross and a cyclist was approaching I would wave them through as it's easier for me to stop than it is for them to stop. If I were a cyclist approaching and I saw somebody with a white stick I would stop for them. Sadly nowadays often both parties think they should have priority over the other and there's problems. The trouble is many cyclists do NOT use common sense. They feel they are above the law and can do anything they wish. That's people in general, some of whom are cyclists.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 24, 2024 5:58:26 GMT
You have proven yourself to be exhibit A. Typical cyclist who believes they are above the law, the highway code does not matter to them and that it is everyone else fault apart from them. Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of cyclists have zero tolerance towards pedestrians You're completely wrong because I'm not a regular cyclist, I just don't have a vendetta against them. To reiterate, the anti cycling brigade claim that on one hand cycle lanes should be removed because nobody uses them, yet on the other hand cycle lanes passing floating bus stops are so well used that pedestrians can't cross them safely. Clearly both these ascertains cannot be correct, in fact I would suggest that neither are correct. And what about these pedestrians who apparently cannot cross cycle lanes safely, how do they cross roads where there are not only cyclists but motor vehicles to contend with? I'm not for one minute suggesting that all cyclists are perfect, I'm just putting things into perspective and cyclists are obviously themselves pedestrians at times. I'm sure cyclists want to avoid collisions with pedestrians as they themselves would probably be injured as well as the pedestrian. See you keep missing the point again and again It’s blindingly obvious (if you are out and about walking, or stand at any junction for a few seconds) how much regard cyclists have for traffic rules. As mentioned a few posts above (and other people have backed it up using common sense experience) I have actually sat down at a coffee shop which was on the corner of a junction for 45 min and counted, physically, how many cyclists followed the rules and how many didn’t. It was a staggeringly high number (80%!) which completely abandoned rules. I did this because I had 2 instances in 2 days of aggressive Lycra Louts shouting at me to get out of their way while crossing the road on the green pedestrian phase. Presumably their efforts at tour de London were getting interrupted You probably don’t even count cyclists sailing through red lights as a traffic violation, which it is. I have had 2 friends end up in hospital with broken legs thanks to such cyclists The danger from floating bus stops arises precisely because of this blatant disregard for traffic rules by cyclists. As a pedestrian, even if you try and cross the cycle lane safely, there are almost always a pack of cyclists who come along at top speed and just don’t stop!! While the cycle lanes are not very well used and that is true, what’s also true is that the handful of cyclists using such lanes do it with blatant disregard for any rules whatsoever
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2024 6:12:34 GMT
You're completely wrong because I'm not a regular cyclist, I just don't have a vendetta against them. To reiterate, the anti cycling brigade claim that on one hand cycle lanes should be removed because nobody uses them, yet on the other hand cycle lanes passing floating bus stops are so well used that pedestrians can't cross them safely. Clearly both these ascertains cannot be correct, in fact I would suggest that neither are correct. And what about these pedestrians who apparently cannot cross cycle lanes safely, how do they cross roads where there are not only cyclists but motor vehicles to contend with? I'm not for one minute suggesting that all cyclists are perfect, I'm just putting things into perspective and cyclists are obviously themselves pedestrians at times. I'm sure cyclists want to avoid collisions with pedestrians as they themselves would probably be injured as well as the pedestrian. See you keep missing the point again and again It’s blindingly obvious (if you are out and about walking, or stand at any junction for a few seconds) how much regard cyclists have for traffic rules. As mentioned a few posts above (and other people have backed it up using common sense experience) I have actually sat down at a coffee shop which was on the corner of a junction for 45 min and counted, physically, how many cyclists followed the rules and how many didn’t. It was a staggeringly high number (80%!) which completely abandoned rules. I did this because I had 2 instances in 2 days of aggressive Lycra Louts shouting at me to get out of their way while crossing the road on the green pedestrian phase. Presumably their efforts at tour de London were getting interrupted You probably don’t even count cyclists sailing through red lights as a traffic violation, which it is. I have had 2 friends end up in hospital with broken legs thanks to such cyclists The danger from floating bus stops arises precisely because of this blatant disregard for traffic rules by cyclists. As a pedestrian, even if you try and cross the cycle lane safely, there are almost always a pack of cyclists who come along at top speed and just don’t stop!! While the cycle lanes are not very well used and that is true, what’s also true is that the handful of cyclists using such lanes do it with blatant disregard for any rules whatsoever There’s no point going over the same thing again but I don't see any problems with floating bus stops and surely the onus is just as much on pedestrians as it is on cyclists to use them safely? They avoid these problems... vm.tiktok.com/ZGenEQSQq/
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 24, 2024 6:26:47 GMT
See you keep missing the point again and again It’s blindingly obvious (if you are out and about walking, or stand at any junction for a few seconds) how much regard cyclists have for traffic rules. As mentioned a few posts above (and other people have backed it up using common sense experience) I have actually sat down at a coffee shop which was on the corner of a junction for 45 min and counted, physically, how many cyclists followed the rules and how many didn’t. It was a staggeringly high number (80%!) which completely abandoned rules. I did this because I had 2 instances in 2 days of aggressive Lycra Louts shouting at me to get out of their way while crossing the road on the green pedestrian phase. Presumably their efforts at tour de London were getting interrupted You probably don’t even count cyclists sailing through red lights as a traffic violation, which it is. I have had 2 friends end up in hospital with broken legs thanks to such cyclists The danger from floating bus stops arises precisely because of this blatant disregard for traffic rules by cyclists. As a pedestrian, even if you try and cross the cycle lane safely, there are almost always a pack of cyclists who come along at top speed and just don’t stop!! While the cycle lanes are not very well used and that is true, what’s also true is that the handful of cyclists using such lanes do it with blatant disregard for any rules whatsoever There’s no point going over the same thing again but I don't see any problems with floating bus stops and surely the onus is just as much on pedestrians as it is on cyclists to use them safely? They avoid these problems... vm.tiktok.com/ZGenEQSQq/That tiktok shows how it was safe without floating bus stop, the person recording and pretty much everyone else except the nob on hired bike fell back and then overtook bus after it stopped. If you see, there's enough space for cyclists to overtake bus whilst remaining in the bus lane minimising risk of collision with other road traffic. Floating bus stops shouldn't be wiped out but only installed in key location, but currently most are installed just to add to statistics of "making London safer"
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