St Helier Avenue

[TB123]

haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/st-helier-avenue
St Helier Avenue consultation opened on installing bus lanes

Proposals

We want to improve bus services on St Helier Avenue and make the area a safer environment for pedestrians. We propose:



Introducing over 1.5km of new bus lanes operating 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on a 1.6km stretch of road (both directions accounted for)

Two new pedestrian crossings at Langdon Walk and Dore Gardens, making St Helier Avenue easier to cross as highlighted by the community

Widening footways/pavements at side road junctions to increase space for pedestrians

Increasing parking restrictions by changing single red lines to double red lines, changing parking operating hours and removing some parking bays, making bus journeys quicker

Retain existing cycle track along western footway of St Helier Avenue

Support existing speed restrictions (20mph)

Summary of changes

Parking bay just after Boxley Road to be removed and replaced with double red lines in order to provide better benefits for buses





Footway buildout at Connaught Gardens provides more space for people walking and makes vehicles travel more slowly reducing risk of accidents occurring





New bus lane at Connaught Gardens bus stop allows buses to pull in and pull out efficiently





Footway buildout at Arras Avenue provides more space for pedestrians. Parking bay to be inset into the footway buildout





New traffic light-signalled crossing at Langdon Walk, providing point for crossing St Helier Avenue safely





New traffic light-signalled crossing at Netley Gardens, providing point for crossing St Helier Avenue safely





Cycle track realigned at Langdon Walk to enable creation of new traffic-signalled safe crossing point





Shared use area created for people walking and cycling at Netley Gardens to enable creation of new traffic-signalled safe crossing point





More double red lines along St Helier Avenue increase restrictions and make buses run more reliably more frequently





Buses suffer less delays due to parking restrictions preventing other vehicles blocking their travel on St Helier Avenue





1600m of new bus lane with 24/7 operation allows buses to proceed quickly and reliably along St Helier Avenue





Footway built out at Rose Hill Roundabout bus stop increases waiting space for bus users and prevents situations where buses cannot pull out into traffic to continue journeys

I'd thought St Helier avenue was a 30 mph limit?

[PGAT]

Sounds great

[vjaska]

May 15, 2024 15:56:29 GMT TB123 said:

haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/st-helier-avenue
St Helier Avenue consultation opened on installing bus lanes

Proposals

We want to improve bus services on St Helier Avenue and make the area a safer environment for pedestrians. We propose:



Introducing over 1.5km of new bus lanes operating 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on a 1.6km stretch of road (both directions accounted for)

Two new pedestrian crossings at Langdon Walk and Dore Gardens, making St Helier Avenue easier to cross as highlighted by the community

Widening footways/pavements at side road junctions to increase space for pedestrians

Increasing parking restrictions by changing single red lines to double red lines, changing parking operating hours and removing some parking bays, making bus journeys quicker

Retain existing cycle track along western footway of St Helier Avenue

Support existing speed restrictions (20mph)

Summary of changes

Parking bay just after Boxley Road to be removed and replaced with double red lines in order to provide better benefits for buses





Footway buildout at Connaught Gardens provides more space for people walking and makes vehicles travel more slowly reducing risk of accidents occurring





New bus lane at Connaught Gardens bus stop allows buses to pull in and pull out efficiently





Footway buildout at Arras Avenue provides more space for pedestrians. Parking bay to be inset into the footway buildout





New traffic light-signalled crossing at Langdon Walk, providing point for crossing St Helier Avenue safely





New traffic light-signalled crossing at Netley Gardens, providing point for crossing St Helier Avenue safely





Cycle track realigned at Langdon Walk to enable creation of new traffic-signalled safe crossing point





Shared use area created for people walking and cycling at Netley Gardens to enable creation of new traffic-signalled safe crossing point





More double red lines along St Helier Avenue increase restrictions and make buses run more reliably more frequently





Buses suffer less delays due to parking restrictions preventing other vehicles blocking their travel on St Helier Avenue





1600m of new bus lane with 24/7 operation allows buses to proceed quickly and reliably along St Helier Avenue





Footway built out at Rose Hill Roundabout bus stop increases waiting space for bus users and prevents situations where buses cannot pull out into traffic to continue journeys

I'd thought St Helier avenue was a 30 mph limit?

Pretty sure it was when I last went through as I was annoyed it had dropped from 40mph. Great for the new bus lanes but this obsession with sticking multiple traffic lights everywhere is really tedious. I get the section on St Helier Avenue is quite long between sets of lights but what happened to getting people walking or using their common sense when to cross safely - I notice there are already dropped kerbs in places for people to cross, particularly one at Netley Gardens I spotted on Google Maps ruined by one of the dropped kerbs being where car parking space is situated.

[abellion]

20mph is quite a drastic drop when it was 40mph going into this year!!

[portman227]

May 15, 2024 16:54:32 GMT abellion said:

20mph is quite a drastic drop when it was 40mph going into this year!!

It was 40mph I believe coming into 2024 and dropped to 30mph as it is now. However I do believe it’s a typo error when it says “ Supporting existing speed restrictions (20mph)” which is incorrect as existing speed restrictions is 30mph, so it may stay at 30mph. I do hope so as 20mph is far too slow for that road

[M1104]

May 20, 2024 0:29:49 GMT portman227 said:

May 15, 2024 16:54:32 GMT abellion said:

20mph is quite a drastic drop when it was 40mph going into this year!!

It was 40mph I believe coming into 2024 and dropped to 30mph as it is now. However I do believe it’s a typo error when it says “ Supporting existing speed restrictions (20mph)” which is incorrect as existing speed restrictions is 30mph, so it may stay at 30mph. I do hope so as 20mph is far too slow for that road

The dual carriageway section of Bushey Road (between Martin Way and Grand Drive) had initially dropped from 40mph straight down to 20mph, which has since been changed up to a more compromised 30mph. This is baring in mind the residential dwellings alongside there are not as open/accessible from the road edge.

I suspect Saint Helier Avenue's recent drop from 40mph to 30mph is a tactical step to make any 20mph proposal less of a 'shock to the system' so to speak.

[Dad91]

This want improve the local buses when road was 40 to 30 now 20

[abellion]

May 20, 2024 0:29:49 GMT portman227 said:

May 15, 2024 16:54:32 GMT abellion said:

20mph is quite a drastic drop when it was 40mph going into this year!!

It was 40mph I believe coming into 2024 and dropped to 30mph as it is now. However I do believe it’s a typo error when it says “ Supporting existing speed restrictions (20mph)” which is incorrect as existing speed restrictions is 30mph, so it may stay at 30mph. I do hope so as 20mph is far too slow for that road

I interpreted it as existing speed restrictions referencing how most of the area is 20 now.

It would be so frustrating crawling down there below 20 all times of day including zero traffic hours with ISA, with Arriva and Go Ahead alike 157 drivers are no strangers to speeding so it will be unfortunate to see how much slower the route will likely become.