Route 32

[18ARustee]

Given the recent tweaking of bus routes in North West London, I think a tweak of this route could address some issues.
Extend 32 along Kilburn to Maida Vale and Edgware Road STN, where it terminates. The corridor to Kilburn Park station has an overload of bus routes.

This would make up for losing a bus route in the area.

[redbus]

May 17, 2024 22:18:14 GMT 18ARustee said:

Given the recent tweaking of bus routes in North West London, I think a tweak of this route could address some issues.
Extend 32 along Kilburn to Maida Vale and Edgware Road STN, where it terminates. The corridor to Kilburn Park station has an overload of bus routes.

This would make up for losing a bus route in the area.

I presume you mean Cambridge Avenue having an 'overload' of buses to Kilburn Park Station. To be fair it is only a short stretch of road and the 32 only goes down it for somewhere convenient to terminate. Extending the 32 route to Edgware Road Station would cost more and no doubt TfL would argue overload the Maida Vale corridor to Edgware Road which is longer than that to Kilburn Park. Remember TfL withdrew the 332 because they thought the corridor was overloaded and I don't think they have changed their minds such that they would wish to have an extra bus route to Edgware Road. It would also make the 32 less reliable as it would go through more traffic.

[18ARustee]

Tbf - 332 was withdrawn mainly due to cost cutting.As the government refused to allocate more money to TfL. I would still tweak it, on a trial basis to Maida Vale (there is space to loop around) and park at Sutherland Avenue. I get your point about possible congestion. Some routes suffered through overextending like the 206 to Wembley Park or the 440 to Wembley First Way

[6HP502C]

May 17, 2024 22:18:14 GMT 18ARustee said:

Given the recent tweaking of bus routes in North West London, I think a tweak of this route could address some issues.
Extend 32 along Kilburn to Maida Vale and Edgware Road STN, where it terminates. The corridor to Kilburn Park station has an overload of bus routes.

This would make up for losing a bus route in the area.

What issues would this expenditure address?

[greg]

May 18, 2024 10:37:01 GMT 6HP502C said:

May 17, 2024 22:18:14 GMT 18ARustee said:

Given the recent tweaking of bus routes in North West London, I think a tweak of this route could address some issues.
Extend 32 along Kilburn to Maida Vale and Edgware Road STN, where it terminates. The corridor to Kilburn Park station has an overload of bus routes.

This would make up for losing a bus route in the area.

What issues would this expenditure address?

The 98 is crazy busy. I do think it would have been better to have the 16 to Marble Arch at the minimum with a frequency increase rather than any tweaks to the 32

[bk10mfe]

May 18, 2024 14:33:09 GMT greg said:

May 18, 2024 10:37:01 GMT 6HP502C said:

What issues would this expenditure address?

The 98 is crazy busy. I do think it would have been better to have the 16 to Marble Arch at the minimum with a frequency increase rather than any tweaks to the 32

Could an alternative to this be swapping the 6 & 98 termini as initially proposed & increase the frequency on the 98? The 98 would have retained the Victoria-Kilburn link.

[18ARustee]

I did think the 16 terminating at Marble Arch is a better idea than Paddington. But I can't see the harm of tweaking the 32. North West London did get cutbacks, even TfL acknowledged that, and they cited it was due to lack of finances.

[greg]

May 18, 2024 20:16:41 GMT bk10mfe said:

May 18, 2024 14:33:09 GMT greg said:

The 98 is crazy busy. I do think it would have been better to have the 16 to Marble Arch at the minimum with a frequency increase rather than any tweaks to the 32

Could an alternative to this be swapping the 6 & 98 termini as initially proposed & increase the frequency on the 98? The 98 would have retained the Victoria-Kilburn link.

I guess so, but people from Kilburn areas and even Willesden actually seem to use the 98 as its got its purpose from Oxford Street, an area where people are not as likely to use the Tube than lets say Warwick Avenue and Kensal Rise on the 6. For that reason, I’d say that the 98 would be more suitable but this is a great idea nevertheless. Most people would have exited the bus by Orchardson Street, and if not then a swap onto either route, and the 16 would also be there too.

[bk10mfe]

May 18, 2024 20:37:55 GMT greg said:

May 18, 2024 20:16:41 GMT bk10mfe said:

Could an alternative to this be swapping the 6 & 98 termini as initially proposed & increase the frequency on the 98? The 98 would have retained the Victoria-Kilburn link.

I guess so, but people from Kilburn areas and even Willesden actually seem to use the 98 as its got its purpose from Oxford Street, an area where people are not as likely to use the Tube than lets say Warwick Avenue and Kensal Rise on the 6. For that reason, I’d say that the 98 would be more suitable but this is a great idea nevertheless. Most people would have exited the bus by Orchardson Street, and if not then a swap onto either route, and the 16 would also be there too.

Yeah this idea is probably most effective if the 189 is sent back to Oxford Circus, so that Kilburn still retains a link to Oxford St. There’s plenty of unused stand space there meanwhile the Marble Arch space is very crammed.

[sdaniel]

May 17, 2024 22:18:14 GMT 18ARustee said:

Given the recent tweaking of bus routes in North West London, I think a tweak of this route could address some issues.
Extend 32 along Kilburn to Maida Vale and Edgware Road STN, where it terminates. The corridor to Kilburn Park station has an overload of bus routes.

This would make up for losing a bus route in the area.

Extending the 32 to Maida Hill, The Chippenham is the best option for 32 to be fair because it gives a direct link from the south side of Kilburn Park Road to Kilburn Station and Brondesbury Station and further up Cricklewood. There is a lot new houses that have been built around Hansel Road so the routes extension will benefit those residents instead of relying on 31 with a bad service or 328.

[sdaniel]

May 18, 2024 20:16:41 GMT bk10mfe said:

May 18, 2024 14:33:09 GMT greg said:

The 98 is crazy busy. I do think it would have been better to have the 16 to Marble Arch at the minimum with a frequency increase rather than any tweaks to the 32

Could an alternative to this be swapping the 6 & 98 termini as initially proposed & increase the frequency on the 98? The 98 would have retained the Victoria-Kilburn link.

Thats what should have happened.

[sdaniel]

May 18, 2024 21:03:32 GMT bk10mfe said:

May 18, 2024 20:37:55 GMT greg said:

I guess so, but people from Kilburn areas and even Willesden actually seem to use the 98 as its got its purpose from Oxford Street, an area where people are not as likely to use the Tube than lets say Warwick Avenue and Kensal Rise on the 6. For that reason, I’d say that the 98 would be more suitable but this is a great idea nevertheless. Most people would have exited the bus by Orchardson Street, and if not then a swap onto either route, and the 16 would also be there too.

Yeah this idea is probably most effective if the 189 is sent back to Oxford Circus, so that Kilburn still retains a link to Oxford St. There’s plenty of unused stand space there meanwhile the Marble Arch space is very crammed.

I would send the 113 to Oxford Circus instead of the 189 because TFL wanted to divert 113 to White City as both 13 and 113 go from Fortune Green to Marble Arch. But obviously rerouting the 113 to White City was an awful idea but I don’t know why TFL decided to remove the 113 from Oxford Circus.

[18ARustee]

Tbh they have swapped the 6 quite a bit the last few years. I did question the move down from Park Lane towards Piccadilly Circus...now to Victoria. They can't make their minds up

[greg]

May 19, 2024 16:50:01 GMT sdaniel said:

May 18, 2024 21:03:32 GMT bk10mfe said:

Yeah this idea is probably most effective if the 189 is sent back to Oxford Circus, so that Kilburn still retains a link to Oxford St. There’s plenty of unused stand space there meanwhile the Marble Arch space is very crammed.

I would send the 113 to Oxford Circus instead of the 189 because TFL wanted to divert 113 to White City as both 13 and 113 go from Fortune Green to Marble Arch. But obviously rerouting the 113 to White City was an awful idea but I don’t know why TFL decided to remove the 113 from Oxford Circus.

Im sure it was to remove buses in Oxford Street. I do think the 139 is enough. The best option IMO would be to extend the 16 to Marble Arch and up the frequency on the 98. Dont think the 6/98 reroute would have been all that important because most people between Kilburn and Marble Arch via Maida Hill use the 98, hence the tweaks to the 16/332 rather than the 98. Adding that extra route in Marble Arch to pick up those to Edgware Road and nearby Kilburn who get left behind because the 98 is filled to the doors from TCR is the main issue I would believe so. And as for the 189, yes it serves Kilburn but I wouldn’t call it anywhere near as impactful because nobody from the St John’s Wood / Abbey Road area is using the bus when their homes are at least 3 million with Rolls Royces parked outside their front gated drivethroughts, its also a lot more indirect.

[redbus]

May 19, 2024 17:11:10 GMT greg said:

May 19, 2024 16:50:01 GMT sdaniel said:

I would send the 113 to Oxford Circus instead of the 189 because TFL wanted to divert 113 to White City as both 13 and 113 go from Fortune Green to Marble Arch. But obviously rerouting the 113 to White City was an awful idea but I don’t know why TFL decided to remove the 113 from Oxford Circus.

Im sure it was to remove buses in Oxford Street. I do think the 139 is enough. The best option IMO would be to extend the 16 to Marble Arch and up the frequency on the 98. Dont think the 6/98 reroute would have been all that important because most people between Kilburn and Marble Arch via Maida Hill use the 98, hence the tweaks to the 16/332 rather than the 98. Adding that extra route in Marble Arch to pick up those to Edgware Road and nearby Kilburn who get left behind because the 98 is filled to the doors from TCR is the main issue I would believe so. And as for the 189, yes it serves Kilburn but I wouldn’t call it anywhere near as impactful because nobody from the St John’s Wood / Abbey Road area is using the bus when their homes are at least 3 million with Rolls Royces parked outside their front gated drivethroughts, its also a lot more indirect.

Whilst there are some rich people in John's Wood there are plenty of not so well off too, the area can be quite mixed. There are loads of people in the area who use the bus, I suspect it is a convenient way to get into Central London.

There is certainly an argument to re-route the 189 back to Oxford Circus, as it lost a lot of passengers when it was re-routed to Marble Arch. Having said that there's a much stronger argument to send the 113 back to Oxford Circus as no Finchley Road buses go down Oxford Street anymore, but the 139 does. 

I don't know is there are capacity issues on the 16 / 98 south of Kilburn and if the 16/98 need a frequency increase. I thought it was wrong to cut the 16 back from Victoria, but I see little benefit in just re-routing it to Marble Arch, that section of Edgware Road between the Marylebone Flyover and Marble Arch is not short of buses as well as being quite walkable.  If you are going to re-extend the 16, send it back to Victoria and put back the lost useful links.