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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 29, 2024 8:06:04 GMT
I was in the Chessington area this week and was surprised how many houses had garden posters up for the Liberal Democrats! I would have assumed this part of London would be very much Conservative.
On this subject east London used to be plastered with Labour posters in local shop windows but have not seen any for this election.
I think Chessington is in the Kingston & Surbiton constituency. While the LibDems are unlikely to lose the seat, and not just because its MP is party leader, I can understand some of their voters advertising them. As all East London is Labour (apart from a couple of seats postally in Essex) they are so unlikely to lose any such seats that maybe voters feel no need to advertise them. In my Stockport seat, which went Labour in 1992 then had boundary changes bringing other stronger Labour areas in, I have seen a handful of posters for our MP. |
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Post by Paul on Jun 29, 2024 9:18:14 GMT
One notices the disdain and general dismissiveness towards Reform both here and in the wider UK. Yes, there are parallels with UKIP and the Brexit Party but I personally feel like there is something stronger about Reform. They are saying things that are starting to resonate with the general public and whilst it may not be enough this time around one wonders what will happen if a handful of Reform candidates are elected and start to make noise in the Commons? Perhaps the reasons for Reform’s ideas resonating with a growing number of people need to be looked at? One suspects that ‘well, they are all racists’ is going to be the glib, dismissive response but I cannot believe that such a growing number of people are racist. But there is concern about the direction the country is going and Reform seem to be the only ones standing up and addressing these concerns. I will not be surprised if they do fairly well next week and continue to grow over the coming years because whether it’s red or blue next week nothing will change and Reform’s concerns will all still be valid Sorry but that is exactly what they are - look at their candidates of which a proportion have either made racial comments or conspiracies that are wildly wrong. Only yesterday was Farage out again having to explain why another of his candidates was calling for people on the boats in the channel to be shot and why the same person used racial slurs against both Islam & Rishi Sunak. That’s on top of Farage praising Putin and having made previous comments suggesting it’s Ukraine & the wests fault. So yes, I will continue to dismiss them - I learnt my lesson when they were UKIP. Oh and whatever George Galloway is calling himself today should be ignored too - another Farage wannabe wanting his 15 minutes, surprised he hasn’t been banging on about how wonderful’ his old mate Sadam was. So you’ve got no interest in finding out why Reform’s policies are resonating with a growing number of people? Is there a racist element to the party? It would seem so but the Labour Party being an apparent anti-Semitic haven hasn’t stopped their support? And Butler and Abbott have questionable views when it comes to race as well but the colour of their skin seems to protect them from criticism Reform is a growing threat to the cosy cabal of Labour and the Conservatives and I’m not surprised there are stories regarding racist elements all over the media. Threats like Reform need to be snuffed out but it appears they are going from strength to strength campaigning on issues that the big parties are too scared to touch For the record, I will not be voting Reform but I can absolutely see the appeal the party has |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2024 11:14:17 GMT
Sorry but that is exactly what they are - look at their candidates of which a proportion have either made racial comments or conspiracies that are wildly wrong. Only yesterday was Farage out again having to explain why another of his candidates was calling for people on the boats in the channel to be shot and why the same person used racial slurs against both Islam & Rishi Sunak. That’s on top of Farage praising Putin and having made previous comments suggesting it’s Ukraine & the wests fault. So yes, I will continue to dismiss them - I learnt my lesson when they were UKIP. Oh and whatever George Galloway is calling himself today should be ignored too - another Farage wannabe wanting his 15 minutes, surprised he hasn’t been banging on about how wonderful’ his old mate Sadam was. So you’ve got no interest in finding out why Reform’s policies are resonating with a growing number of people? Is there a racist element to the party? It would seem so but the Labour Party being an apparent anti-Semitic haven hasn’t stopped their support? And Butler and Abbott have questionable views when it comes to race as well but the colour of their skin seems to protect them from criticism Reform is a growing threat to the cosy cabal of Labour and the Conservatives and I’m not surprised there are stories regarding racist elements all over the media. Threats like Reform need to be snuffed out but it appears they are going from strength to strength campaigning on issues that the big parties are too scared to touch For the record, I will not be voting Reform but I can absolutely see the appeal the party has Labour did have an issue with antisemitism under Corbyn - that has been pretty much reversed under Starmer with prominent Jewish groups even noting how much progress has been made. I also have remarked on here that Abbott shouldn’t be standing for what she said nor am I any fan of Butler either. If Farage really is against racism and nonsense conspiracies, it’s up to him practice what he preaches every time one of his candidates is unearthed as such. |
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Post by buspete on Jun 29, 2024 11:50:10 GMT
All the people I know several colleagues, friends parents and my family (unfortunately) who vote for reform, all have one thing in common.
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Post by buspete on Jun 29, 2024 11:57:50 GMT
All the people I know being several colleagues, friend’s parents and my family (unfortunately) who vote for reform, all have one thing in common.
I would even say that the Conservative Party are glad to be rid of this wing of the party, it’s going to cost them heavy in the polls, it was going to do anyway without Reform. After Thursday they can start rebuilding a cohesive party without the stain of racism, they will challenge in the next general election on policies for what will appeal to a modern society.
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Post by buspete on Jun 29, 2024 12:02:25 GMT
So you’ve got no interest in finding out why Reform’s policies are resonating with a growing number of people? Is there a racist element to the party? It would seem so but the Labour Party being an apparent anti-Semitic haven hasn’t stopped their support? And Butler and Abbott have questionable views when it comes to race as well but the colour of their skin seems to protect them from criticism Reform is a growing threat to the cosy cabal of Labour and the Conservatives and I’m not surprised there are stories regarding racist elements all over the media. Threats like Reform need to be snuffed out but it appears they are going from strength to strength campaigning on issues that the big parties are too scared to touch For the record, I will not be voting Reform but I can absolutely see the appeal the party has Labour did have an issue with antisemitism under Corbyn - that has been pretty much reversed under Starmer with prominent Jewish groups even noting how much progress has been made. I also have remarked on here that Abbott shouldn’t be standing for what she said nor am I any fan of Butler either. If Farage really is against racism and nonsense conspiracies, it’s up to him practice what he preaches every time one of his candidates is unearthed as such. Keir Stamer’s wife is Jewish and their children are raised in the faith. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 29, 2024 12:05:59 GMT
Sorry but that is exactly what they are - look at their candidates of which a proportion have either made racial comments or conspiracies that are wildly wrong. Only yesterday was Farage out again having to explain why another of his candidates was calling for people on the boats in the channel to be shot and why the same person used racial slurs against both Islam & Rishi Sunak. That’s on top of Farage praising Putin and having made previous comments suggesting it’s Ukraine & the wests fault. So yes, I will continue to dismiss them - I learnt my lesson when they were UKIP. Oh and whatever George Galloway is calling himself today should be ignored too - another Farage wannabe wanting his 15 minutes, surprised he hasn’t been banging on about how wonderful’ his old mate Sadam was. So you’ve got no interest in finding out why Reform’s policies are resonating with a growing number of people? Is there a racist element to the party? It would seem so but the Labour Party being an apparent anti-Semitic haven hasn’t stopped their support? And Butler and Abbott have questionable views when it comes to race as well but the colour of their skin seems to protect them from criticism Reform is a growing threat to the cosy cabal of Labour and the Conservatives and I’m not surprised there are stories regarding racist elements all over the media. Threats like Reform need to be snuffed out but it appears they are going from strength to strength campaigning on issues that the big parties are too scared to touch For the record, I will not be voting Reform but I can absolutely see the appeal the party has Anti-Semetism is what cost Labour in 2017 as otherwise chances are they'd have won that election. As has been mentioned its now been rooted out by Keir Starmer who has quite frankly done a very good job with it. Reform UK don't campaign on matters other parties are scared to talk about as other parties still talk about these issues. They appeal to the extreme and then divide and conquer. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 29, 2024 12:08:42 GMT
All the people I know being several colleagues, friend’s parents and my family (unfortunately) who vote for reform, all have one thing in common. They all have a different opinion than you? |
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Post by buspete on Jun 29, 2024 14:37:21 GMT
All the people I know being several colleagues, friend’s parents and my family (unfortunately) who vote for reform, all have one thing in common. They all have a different opinion than you? I don’t dislike someone because of the colour of their skin and I don’t use racial slurs. So to answer your question, yes they do. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 29, 2024 15:14:25 GMT
They all have a different opinion than you? I don’t dislike someone because of the colour of their skin and I don’t use racial slurs. So to answer your question, yes they do. Have you actually asked them why they are considering voting Reform or like Wes Streeting are you equating voting for a certain party as being racist? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 29, 2024 16:17:45 GMT
So you’ve got no interest in finding out why Reform’s policies are resonating with a growing number of people? Is there a racist element to the party? It would seem so but the Labour Party being an apparent anti-Semitic haven hasn’t stopped their support? And Butler and Abbott have questionable views when it comes to race as well but the colour of their skin seems to protect them from criticism Reform is a growing threat to the cosy cabal of Labour and the Conservatives and I’m not surprised there are stories regarding racist elements all over the media. Threats like Reform need to be snuffed out but it appears they are going from strength to strength campaigning on issues that the big parties are too scared to touch For the record, I will not be voting Reform but I can absolutely see the appeal the party has Anti-Semetism is what cost Labour in 2017 as otherwise chances are they'd have won that election. As has been mentioned its now been rooted out by Keir Starmer who has quite frankly done a very good job with it. Reform UK don't campaign on matters other parties are scared to talk about as other parties still talk about these issues. They appeal to the extreme and then divide and conquer. And because I think middle England just couldn't take to Jeremy Corbyn tbh. |
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Post by buspete on Jun 29, 2024 16:22:27 GMT
I was unaware Wes Streeting said that about Reform, but Daisy Cooper has and I agree with her, Just out of interest why else would anyone vote for reform?
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Post by PGAT on Jun 29, 2024 17:08:27 GMT
I was unaware Wes Streeting said that about Reform, but Daisy Cooper has and I agree with her, Just out of interest why else would anyone vote for reform? Anyone who hates the state of the Conservatives but is ideologically aligned to the right |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 29, 2024 17:12:34 GMT
They all have a different opinion than you? I don’t dislike someone because of the colour of their skin and I don’t use racial slurs. So to answer your question, yes they do. Did these people actually say that they dislike someone because of the colour of their skin or is that just an assumption that you made? And what is or isn't a 'racial slur' is often highly subjective, there's far too much playing the race card. |
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Post by buspete on Jun 29, 2024 17:38:31 GMT
I was unaware Wes Streeting said that about Reform, but Daisy Cooper has and I agree with her, Just out of interest why else would anyone vote for reform? Anyone who hates the state of the Conservatives but is ideologically aligned to the right That is a very broad statement that ultimately significant nothing. Apart reach relations how does Reform offer anything that the Tories don’t. I don’t dislike someone because of the colour of their skin and I don’t use racial slurs. So to answer your question, yes they do. Did these people actually say that they dislike someone because of the colour of their skin or is that just an assumption that you made? And what is or isn't a 'racial slur' is often highly subjective, there's far too much playing the race card. Yes, not an assumption, well known racial slurs have been used, no race card being used (but I do accept ‘race card’ is a term racists use though, as a smoke screen) The people are out and out racists, now move on. |
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