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Post by buspete on May 29, 2024 12:07:10 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will - this being said by someone who went to a very good school, but conversely the media is the last bastion in democracy and free speech.
So today’s announcement that the Evening Standard is to become a weekly newspaper, for me is very strange and is one of London’s great institutions, albeit owned by a Russian oil baron.
They say people under 40 don’t carry cash and read printed journalism.
A weekly newspaper isn’t a ‘news’paper.
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May 29, 2024 12:37:29 GMT
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Post by WH241 on May 29, 2024 12:37:29 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will - this being said by someone who went to a very good school, but conversely the media is the last bastion in democracy and free speech. So today’s announcement that the Evening Standard is to become a weekly newspaper, for me is very strange and is one of London’s great institutions, albeit owned by a Russian oil baron. They say people under 40 don’t carry cash and read printed journalism. A weekly newspaper isn’t a ‘news’paper. When I started work up in London in 1996 the Evening Standard was a big thing with sellers everywhere especially outside tube stations. They used to publish 3 or 4 editions a day stating around 11am with the Metro edition. I used to buy the paper everyday and thought it was a pretty decent read and mainly focused on London news. Its demise started when London Lite and The Londoner launched between 2004 and 2006. The free edition of the Evening Standard just got thinner and thinner and is no more than 20 pages now? It’s no surprise it’s going weekly and will probably be gone in a couple of months. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 29, 2024 12:51:40 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will - this being said by someone who went to a very good school, but conversely the media is the last bastion in democracy and free speech. So today’s announcement that the Evening Standard is to become a weekly newspaper, for me is very strange and is one of London’s great institutions, albeit owned by a Russian oil baron. They say people under 40 don’t carry cash and read printed journalism. A weekly newspaper isn’t a ‘news’paper. There is no such thing as a free press anymore. Media outlets nowadays are lead by clickbait journalism and the ideas of owners. If you think otherwise you are sorely mistaken. Even if you read a paper like The Metro you are still buying into Daily Mail thinking as they are owned by the same company. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 29, 2024 13:09:58 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will - this being said by someone who went to a very good school, but conversely the media is the last bastion in democracy and free speech. So today’s announcement that the Evening Standard is to become a weekly newspaper, for me is very strange and is one of London’s great institutions, albeit owned by a Russian oil baron. They say people under 40 don’t carry cash and read printed journalism. A weekly newspaper isn’t a ‘news’paper. When I started work up in London in 1996 the Evening Standard was a big thing with sellers everywhere especially outside tube stations. They used to publish 3 or 4 editions a day stating around 11am with the Metro edition. I used to buy the paper everyday and thought it was a pretty decent read and mainly focused on London news. Its demise started when London Lite and The Londoner launched between 2004 and 2006. The free edition of the Evening Standard just got thinner and thinner and is no more than 20 pages now? It’s no surprise it’s going weekly and will probably be gone in a couple of months. Yes I remember buying it for 50p I think. Seemed so odd when it became free yet I can't imagine buying it. Those boards back in the day were a way of finding out if events. Hard to believe now. |
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Post by towerman on May 29, 2024 17:15:19 GMT
I can remember when London had three evening papers and they had a Saturday edition.Can recall the vendors cry”news,star and standard”.
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May 29, 2024 18:07:36 GMT
Post by richard on May 29, 2024 18:07:36 GMT
I can remember when London had three evening papers and they had a Saturday edition.Can recall the vendors cry”news,star and standard”. I remember London Lite and the Londoner free papers that used to be handed out in the evening's Monday to Friday |
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May 29, 2024 18:26:02 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on May 29, 2024 18:26:02 GMT
I can remember when London had three evening papers and they had a Saturday edition.Can recall the vendors cry”news,star and standard”. I remember London Lite and the Londoner free papers that used to be handed out in the evening's Monday to Friday Do you mean The London Paper? The Londoner was a city hall newsletter in 2008. |
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Post by WH241 on May 29, 2024 19:10:03 GMT
I remember London Lite and the Londoner free papers that used to be handed out in the evening's Monday to Friday Do you mean The London Paper? The Londoner was a city hall newsletter in 2008. I made the mistake earlier as well calling it The Londoner when it was as you say The London Paper.
I do wonder how long the Metro paper will last. Another paper that never seems to have many takers is City AM.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 29, 2024 20:44:30 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will - this being said by someone who went to a very good school, but conversely the media is the last bastion in democracy and free speech. So today’s announcement that the Evening Standard is to become a weekly newspaper, for me is very strange and is one of London’s great institutions, albeit owned by a Russian oil baron. They say people under 40 don’t carry cash and read printed journalism. A weekly newspaper isn’t a ‘news’paper. It's a simple reason why they're going down to a weekly publication. Nobody actually reads newspapers anymore. I'm actually a frequent reader of the Standard as I like their journalism and how London focussed it is, but also how global it is at the same time focussing on issues everywhere. However it's probably been years since I picked up one of their papers. Simply because I have no reason to. Their website is updated very frequently and why would I read the news from an hour ago when I can read the news that's happening at the current moment? Not to mention the hassle of trying to then find a bin once you're done with the newspaper as many stations for whatever reason don't have any on the platform. The fact is the only time I see people use newspapers is when they're of the older generation and nobody I've met under 40 actually reads them when you can just go on your phone and get more up to date information. |
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Post by WH241 on May 29, 2024 21:21:22 GMT
People say they get news by mobile but it’s an awful experience with adverts all over the articles. Reach news sites are particularly bad!
Yes I’m over 40 but give me a newspaper any day. When I read news online I usually stick to the BBC site.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 29, 2024 21:33:35 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will - this being said by someone who went to a very good school, but conversely the media is the last bastion in democracy and free speech. So today’s announcement that the Evening Standard is to become a weekly newspaper, for me is very strange and is one of London’s great institutions, albeit owned by a Russian oil baron. They say people under 40 don’t carry cash and read printed journalism. A weekly newspaper isn’t a ‘news’paper. I can tell people who read the Daily Mirror and Guardian. They are the typical type of champagne socialist that thinks that anyone that says anything from their views is a Daily Mail reader. They are out of touch with reality and thinks that we are in a one size fits all society and that we can condition everyone to be cloned carbon copies. A newspaper could be monthly imo and be a "news"paper. The problem with the Evening Standard is the news content of the printed version is hardly much news, too much adverts and hardly much features. The Metro in the morning has better new content, this is even before the Standard went free. |
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Post by buspete on May 30, 2024 0:10:49 GMT
One of the nails in the coffin for newspapers was Covid, with people Woking from home and not commuting and more so people wanted their news instantly, they didn’t want news that was 12 hours old. Wasn’t it the Daily Mail that that tried to get Boris Johnston to cancel the second lockdown?
Also Labour doesn’t need to jump in bed with the media, like Blair/Brown/Campbell/Mandelson did in 1997 with the Sun. The media has lost its clout, that it once had and used.
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Post by joefrombow on May 30, 2024 3:32:50 GMT
Do you mean The London Paper? The Londoner was a city hall newsletter in 2008. I made the mistake earlier as well calling it The Londoner when it was as you say The London Paper.
I do wonder how long the Metro paper will last. Another paper that never seems to have many takers is City AM.
I remember the London Lite and the London Paper around 2008 , They started off well but eventually no one was picking them up then the Evening Standard decided to go free but worked out well and was good times for print industry , but having worked in Newspaper Distribution at some of the print centres from 2010 until 2021 , I've seen the circulation of ALL newspapers fall off a cliff which is sad. When I started all the Main daily national papers had their own print centres one up North and one down South ( Express & Star & Telegraph , Guardian , FT , Mirror , Sun and Independant , Mail & Metro ) and multiple lorries mainly 44ton artics used to take the papers out to wholesalers around the country and from there they would be distributed to Shops etc . Towards the end though after COVID in 2021 most loads would fit on Vans during the week and now there are only two major print centres , two up North and two down south , both owned by the Mirror Group known as Reach and recently the Daily Mail & the Sun have combined operations and use the Sun's Print Centres which is where the Evening Standard is printed at Broxbourne . This will unfortunately see yet more job losses in a once bustling industry but I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try and fill the hole (like the Mirror did with their "new day" paper when the independent went bust ) but it won't be sustainable in the long run , The Metro I always see a lot of copies left over nowadays in the bins at the stations now and the papers are ridiculously thin most days , plus a lot of DLR stations no longer have the holders for the papers so circulation is definitely falling on that title and the CityAM already doesn't print on Fridays and the holders are always full with papers ( although I find it a good read) , a poor man's FT if you like , but I predict that CityAM will be the next free paper to disappear as I think they are trying but failing to find a buyer but yes in this modern age , Newspapers aren't really needed as we have 24/7 news with smart phones sad but not the first and won't be the last industry to shrink massively or cease to exist over next few years the Digital Revolution . |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 30, 2024 11:37:01 GMT
One of the nails in the coffin for newspapers was Covid, with people Woking from home and not commuting and more so people wanted their news instantly, they didn’t want news that was 12 hours old. Wasn’t it the Daily Mail that that tried to get Boris Johnston to cancel the second lockdown? Also Labour doesn’t need to jump in bed with the media, like Blair/Brown/Campbell/Mandelson did in 1997 with the Sun. The media has lost its clout, that it once had and used. They all do jump in bed with the media. After all it is not just printed press, but tv, internet and social media they control. After they are no longer flavour of the month the media would then spit you out to the dogs after chewing you up to a pulp! |
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Post by Paul on May 30, 2024 17:14:07 GMT
I can tell people who read the Daily Mirror and Guardian. They are the typical type of champagne socialist that thinks that anyone that says anything from their views is a Daily Mail reader. They are out of touch with reality and thinks that we are in a one size fits all society and that we can condition everyone to be cloned carbon copies I was going to make exactly this point. The OP claims, as you see so often, readers of the Daily Mail, blah, blah, blah but the same is true of readers of the Mirror or the Guardian. I don’t believe it’s the press guiding people’s thoughts, it’s just people gravitating towards the press that aligns with their views |
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