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Post by evergreenadam on May 31, 2024 19:26:57 GMT
The current trend for increasing Sunday frequencies is welcome, hope it continues.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 31, 2024 19:28:43 GMT
The current trend for increasing Sunday frequencies is welcome, hope it continues. Especially that Stratford has become such a destination I would imagine the 241 can almost be as if not more busy then on weekdays.
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Post by WH241 on May 31, 2024 19:37:25 GMT
The current trend for increasing Sunday frequencies is welcome, hope it continues. Especially that Stratford has become such a destination I would imagine the 241 can almost be as if not more busy then on weekdays. The 241 is a funny route at Stratford as it is quicker to get off at the Bus Station and walk over the bridge than go around to Stratford City Bus station. I would say other routes like the 262 / 473 and 69 and much busier heading to Stratford than the 241.
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Post by towerman on May 31, 2024 21:34:09 GMT
Remember when the 241 was first introduced ran from Victoria & Albert Docks to Manor House via Stratford,Leyton,Walthamstow & Tottenham.
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Post by danorak on May 31, 2024 21:52:29 GMT
Somewhat amused that the person at TfL responsible for this consultation is given as "Andrew Galligan". Reminds me of someone...
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 31, 2024 22:26:32 GMT
For the 'why now?' question, based on this Twitter thread it seems like the reopening of Carpenters Road is imminent:
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Post by vjaska on May 31, 2024 23:14:26 GMT
So looking at the routing they chose, why didn't they re-route via Hackney Wick Station or even via the Hackney Wick terminus and approach Here East that way, especially as the stand at Here East faces eastbound. I know there isn't a turn back facility currently but there is a gap right by the lights that could be facilitated to allow 241's to turn and head towards Hackney Wick from Here East.
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Post by MMS2001 on May 31, 2024 23:23:21 GMT
I wonder if the 308 could be reviewed along with this consultation as I feel like it could also be rerouted to make it a bit more of a direct routing.
308 contract will commence on 3/5/24 241 contract will commence on 8/3/24
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 1, 2024 10:12:23 GMT
Having had a look at these proposals I think it's certainly a good move.
The 241 is more of a local route, with no need for many people to use it over great distances as the intention is to pretty much get people in the area to Stratford. It's proved to be a success at Royal Wharf and is popular there among the locals in the new developments and I can't see why it wouldn't prove popular heading to Here East. The only gripe I have really is what others have said and that's the fact you might as well run it that slight bit further to St Mary of Eton Church or even the other direction to Leyton Asda.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 1, 2024 10:35:57 GMT
Looks like a good proposal. Guess this would mean 2 extra PVR on today's numbers.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 1, 2024 11:00:51 GMT
Having had a look at these proposals I think it's certainly a good move. The 241 is more of a local route, with no need for many people to use it over great distances as the intention is to pretty much get people in the area to Stratford. It's proved to be a success at Royal Wharf and is popular there among the locals in the new developments and I can't see why it wouldn't prove popular heading to Here East. The only gripe I have really is what others have said and that's the fact you might as well run it that slight bit further to St Mary of Eton Church or even the other direction to Leyton Asda. It's proven a success at Royal Wharf? when are you seeing these buses? I am not trying to be confrontational here but one thing I can contribute to the forum is local knowledge but on occasions its dismissed or makes me look like I am talking rubbish. I see countless 241s in the AM and PM peaks, mid day time and at weekends and never see hardly anyone on board past Custom House station, even when you see photos online in the local area buses are usually carrying fresh air. I did have this issue with another person here who tried to dismiss my on the ground reporting.
The Here East terminal is just pointless IMO and could have extended somewhere more useful. Sending the route to Leyton ASDA would have been a excellent idea as there are no major supermarkets at Stratford even the Morrisons is pretty small. I think the retail park is planned to be turning into housing in the long term and if this does happen the 241 would still be useful linking back to Stratford.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 1, 2024 11:14:35 GMT
Having had a look at these proposals I think it's certainly a good move. The 241 is more of a local route, with no need for many people to use it over great distances as the intention is to pretty much get people in the area to Stratford. It's proved to be a success at Royal Wharf and is popular there among the locals in the new developments and I can't see why it wouldn't prove popular heading to Here East. The only gripe I have really is what others have said and that's the fact you might as well run it that slight bit further to St Mary of Eton Church or even the other direction to Leyton Asda. It's proven a success at Royal Wharf? when are you seeing these buses? I am not trying to be confrontational here but one thing I can contribute to the forum is local knowledge but on occasions its demised or makes me look like I am talking rubbish. I see countless 241s in the AM and PM peaks, mid day time and at weekends and never see hardly anyone on board past Custom House station, even when you see photos online in the local area buses are usually carrying fresh air. I did have this issue with another person here who tried to dismiss my on the ground reporting.
The Here East terminal is just pointless IMO and could have extended somewhere more useful. Sending the route to Leyton ASDA would have been an excellent idea as there are no major supermarkets at Stratford even the Morrisons is pretty small. I think the retail park is planned to be turning into housing in the long term and if this does happen the 241 would still be useful linking back to Stratford. I know multiple people who live in the Royal Wharf development and they use the 241. When a route is a success into a local development it isn't measured by observing loadings carried armies of people on board. It matters whether it's being used by the people that it is intended for and the 241 is certainly being used for that. It's pointless observing a bus heading south of Custom House in the AM peak as nobody is going to be doing that when the route is a commuter route. The fact that this extension is now being proposed shows TfL have come along and reviewed the 241 as a route and are quite happy with it running to Royal Wharf and it shows the importance of ensuring the new developments have bus routes going to where people who live in them want to go.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 1, 2024 11:22:51 GMT
It's proven a success at Royal Wharf? when are you seeing these buses? I am not trying to be confrontational here but one thing I can contribute to the forum is local knowledge but on occasions its demised or makes me look like I am talking rubbish. I see countless 241s in the AM and PM peaks, mid day time and at weekends and never see hardly anyone on board past Custom House station, even when you see photos online in the local area buses are usually carrying fresh air. I did have this issue with another person here who tried to dismiss my on the ground reporting.
The Here East terminal is just pointless IMO and could have extended somewhere more useful. Sending the route to Leyton ASDA would have been an excellent idea as there are no major supermarkets at Stratford even the Morrisons is pretty small. I think the retail park is planned to be turning into housing in the long term and if this does happen the 241 would still be useful linking back to Stratford. I know multiple people who live in the Royal Wharf development and they use the 241. When a route is a success into a local development it isn't measured by observing loadings carried armies of people on board. It matters whether it's being used by the people that it is intended for and the 241 is certainly being used for that. It's pointless observing a bus heading south of Custom House in the AM peak as nobody is going to be doing that when the route is a commuter route. The fact that this extension is now being proposed shows TfL have come along and reviewed the 241 as a route and are quite happy with it running to Royal Wharf and it shows the importance of ensuring the new developments have bus routes going to where people who live in them want to go. I agree, when there is a new development it is important that the buses are there from the start, even if they don't carry many passengers until more people move in. That's why councils often require Section 106 funding from developers, to pay for the extra buses until they are being used sufficiently to support themselves.
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Post by sdaniel on Jun 1, 2024 11:29:03 GMT
I wonder if the 308 could be reviewed along with this consultation as I feel like it could also be rerouted to make it a bit more of a direct routing. 308 contract will commence on 3/5/24 241 contract will commence on 8/3/24 Where would the 308 be rerouted if that was to happen?
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 1, 2024 13:45:28 GMT
Having had a look at these proposals I think it's certainly a good move. The 241 is more of a local route, with no need for many people to use it over great distances as the intention is to pretty much get people in the area to Stratford. It's proved to be a success at Royal Wharf and is popular there among the locals in the new developments and I can't see why it wouldn't prove popular heading to Here East. The only gripe I have really is what others have said and that's the fact you might as well run it that slight bit further to St Mary of Eton Church or even the other direction to Leyton Asda. It's proven a success at Royal Wharf? when are you seeing these buses? I am not trying to be confrontational here but one thing I can contribute to the forum is local knowledge but on occasions its dismissed or makes me look like I am talking rubbish. I see countless 241s in the AM and PM peaks, mid day time and at weekends and never see hardly anyone on board past Custom House station, even when you see photos online in the local area buses are usually carrying fresh air. I did have this issue with another person here who tried to dismiss my on the ground reporting.
The Here East terminal is just pointless IMO and could have extended somewhere more useful. Sending the route to Leyton ASDA would have been a excellent idea as there are no major supermarkets at Stratford even the Morrisons is pretty small. I think the retail park is planned to be turning into housing in the long term and if this does happen the 241 would still be useful linking back to Stratford. I would suggest to just swap the 241 and 276 termini. It's been mentioned before how busy the 276 can get, and while there are several low bridges on the route, the section from Hackney Wick to Stoke Newington can definitely use DDs. So extend the 241 as proposed to Here East, but continuing on via Hackney Wick and taking over the 276 to Stoke Newington. Then cut back the 276 to Hackney Wick, or maybe terminating at Here East or Leyton Asda? The 488 would maintain links from Bow to the Hackney area, which could get a minor frequency increase if needed.
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